Argentina Squad for Chile and Venezuela

ken
i am from a small island in the eastern carribean.

Hey everyone, I’ve just met your blog. Can anyone please let me know when (date and time) the game starts? is there any link where I can watch it online? Thaks.

Posted from  Switzerland

Toddutah, we must stop thinking about any other formation than 4-3-1-2. It is the one Basile is going to use (the only one he knows?).

Alfio Basile knows futbol but should be more open-minded.

(The best solution for Argentina is obviously the system that used Pekerman)

As I said before, Basile needs to build a team during the next 3 years. Here is the group of 13 players, that for me, should always be selected until 2010:

Ustari, Carrizzo, Mascherano, Gago, Cambiasso, Lucho, Maxi, Riquelme, Aimar, Aguero, Saviola, Messi, Tevez.

It leaves 10 places for defenders, a poacher that we’ll find soon, and a goalkeeper. Keep eyes on Palacio, he’s magnificent.

Posted from  United States

The 4 3 1 2 version of this would then be my gago sub and have
Utsari
Zanetti Diaz Demichilli Heinze
Maxi Masherano Gago
Roman
Messi Aguero

I still like my other one better lol . Obvioiusly the right side of this line up would be the strength on attack. And yes Aguero is becoming a great poacher!!!

Ok I ma heading to California. chat with you next week my prediction is barcelona 3 Athletico 3 Boca 2 river 1.

Posted from  United States

Haven’t seen enough of Aguero this season to understand his style. But based on recent selections, our forwards should be ranked like this:

1) Messi
2) Tevez
3) Aguero
4) Saviola

If based on experience alone, Tevez/Messi combo will be the 1st option. But based on recent performance, Todd Utah, no doubt Aguero/Messi will be interesting.

Maxi, what Trezeguet said is very true. It’s a global trend. And our NT is following the same trend, so no problem about that. But at least we need to give the defense different looks especially in term of height and physical. Think what will happen if we face Germany’s defenders? It’ll be a joke. We need to try it now. At least, give Cavenaghi a try as a sub or whoever. It’s not just game to game decisions, it’s good for game time adjustment. We don’t want what happen in Copa final where we lack options!

Posted from  Malaysia

You guys got a point in that we don’t have a real left winger or a left lateral (like Sorin).
But this was the case for Pekerman too, during WC06.
I think we haven’t had a left winger since Kily Gonzalez quit our NT.
Aguero and Tevez are players who can do the “Ronaldinho diagonal” from the left sideline. I guess that’s about all we have right now.
The good thing is that Riquelme likes to go towards the left side and his passing can generate plays on that side with anybody who’s around.

MaxiLopez, Pekerman and Basile see football in the same way, with very little differences.
They both build the team around a #5 and an enganche. (diamond formation)

Yes Toddutah, Basile is probably going to start this kind of team.

As I said it thousand of times before, the problem is Gago. He’s completely out of position when defending. He’s a central midfielder, perfect in double 5 midfield to be partnered with Mascherano, to defend in the center (like did at WC06). I mean, it is obvious, natural.

I am afraid Argentina will attack like this:

—–U——

—-X + X—-

Z + M + G + H

M + M + R —

—- X ——

And will defend like this:

—–U——-

Z + X + X + H

–M + M + G–

- M + X + R -

The problem is somewhere else… How will we avoid counter attacks with defenders on the flanks attacking like kamikazes and Gago out of position (like Cambiasso was at la Copa)?

PS: I have no problem to start a tiny forward such as Saviola (or Aguero). With good technique and a good positionning you can achieve a lot.

Posted from  United States

I absolutely agree with you Albo. But the big difference between Basile and Pekerman is that Pek used a system which avoid counter attacks (with a double 5 midfield who defended correctly and was protected from the flanks!).

It is nice to speak about this guys. I like to solve problems, and this is the only one we have. See you on Monday.

Vamos Argentina.

Posted from  United States

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=469956&cc=5901

Posted from  United States

“Messi a great talent. He’s still very young and can become even better.

“It’s beautiful to watch him play.” - KAKA

Posted from  United States

Messi is great, no doubt about that. But it is collective game that win award. What do we do if Messi is stopped in Big game? That is the big question. When he played in CL against Liverpool, he could not play, because Arbeola was on his heels.

As sad as it appears, Argentina with all its individual talents will NOT win in big games. There is a fundamental problem with tactics and strategy. Be patient and you will see it raising its ugly again when it matters MOST!

Posted from  United States

Aimar10,
Thanks for sharing your origin with me.

Posted from  United States

>>>Argentina with all its individual talents will NOT win in big games>>>

I wonder what games are big games?
In my opinion, the last big game we played, we lost on PKs against Germany, in Germany.
The next big game, to me, is still about 3 years away…

Albo,

With all due respect to you, by BIG games,
I am refering to the past as a guide to our future.
Specifically, I meant Final of Copa America 2007 Versus Brasil, friendly
Versus Brasil about a year ago and of course the WC2006 quarter final.

You are right that the next big game is WC 2010.

It is just my opinion that we will “choke” when it really matters
because our issues are not being addressed by AFA.

Posted from  United States

Ken, I understand what you are saying.
Now I want to ask you this:
Were you an argie fan 6 years ago?
At the risk of sounding repetitive, I’ll remind you that back in 2001, under Bielsa, we were beating everybody and their mother, included a 3-1 to Brazil at Monumental, (since I see Brazil has you especially worried).
We got to WC02 as the “hands down” winner” bet.
And what happened?

I think you were not an albiceleste fan back then.
Otherwise you would remember it all the time, and you wouldn’t say certain things you say now.
It is my opinion, you didn’t experience all that.
You think that having good results right now will change the meaning of things?. Like better or worse team?…
I respect that.
We ‘re just not watching the same game.
I believe that Argentina is 2 or 3 players away from becoming a team for the ages.
Saludos

Posted from  United States

I really really really really still have a hard time chewing on the Idea that Arbeola stopped Messi against Liverpool. I mean, come on. The kid broke his foot and was pretty much rushed back from injury. He was out for 3 months prior to that.

second, Messi didnt Play BAD. Barca hardly played, because Liverpool was so great at dirupting the plays. Messi was still more of a threat than ronaldinho in those games.

When he is FIT. Let alone Arbeole, not even Canavaro & Roberto Carlos together could stop him. I mean seriously could anybody mention to me a game Where Messi had a bad game, outside of this liverpool game?

The only other game Messi wasnt (i will use my words carefully) “as INFLUENTIAL” in a game, was against Brazil in the friendly (where he was hacked all the time, and used WRONGLY BY BASILE). even in the Copa final he played okay. Even when he was getting hacked. He should have scored the goal. sadly it was called an offside.

ALl basile has to do, is give messi all the room in the world as a free floater from the right side of the field like he does with barca.

Posted from  United States

Messay, in case you haven’t seen this one.
Enjoy

http://www.vxv.com/ole/todoalrojo=9787.htm

Posted from  United States

Albo,

I did follow Argentina back then. Most precisely, Bielsa now as Chile coach will throw all those long balls and the rest you can anticipate.

We are watching the same game but looking at it from different perspective. You know my point of view. I am not going to reiterate it because I will become an old rewinding tape. Instead, I will patiently wait for us to lose the big games and then offer my point of view. Argentina greats such as Bilardo and Diego Maradona have recently touched on that subject recently. On our blog here, Maxilopez has written extensively about it.

Messay,

If you get a chance you should have a look at what Messi stated in his own words after he was shut out in CL against Liverpool. I am also a great fan of Messi but I am concern whether he will around in 2010. In my mind right he is THE world player of the year given his current form. But I am a firm believer that modern football is all about collective effort, not individual success.

Perhaps the latest example is Marta from Brasil in the recent women wc held in China. She is extremely talented and can even do a “roulette” a la Zidane. But in the final she fizzled simply because the Germans shut her off. She was so shaken that she could not even shoot a penalty.

Posted from  United States

>>>You know my point of view>>>

Actually I don’t know your point of view, Ken.
I know you criticize Basile endlessly, but I don’t know what is your idea of what would work.
I don’t even recall you ever given us a possible formation.
You talk more about “provoking” and making people think, then about football, remember?.
Or was that Ali?

Posted from  United States

Albo,

I will not entertain arguing with you anymore. My philosophy remains the same. I am not Ali. This is my Last personal response to you.
Have a great life.

Posted from  United States

guys here is a link for kun aguero’ goals in their last uefa cup game.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6462893128546264522&q=aguero-+erciyesspor&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Posted from  United States

Gerardo Bruna is a 16 prodigy just bought from Real Madrid and is now playin with Liverpool and is allowed to train with the 1st team but only play for the reverse still thats really impressive for a 16 year old.

Posted from  United States

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/200709292625/reds-capture-youngster-from-real.html/

Posted from  United States

I am a big argentina fan. With the talent that we have, it has obviously proven too hard for us to settle on a formation. The times we used 5-3-2, it worked well. I think though, that we can modify it a bit in attack and play 3-4-3. This would become 5-3-2 in defending. I cant imagine why Andres D’allesandro cannot make an argentina side since like forever. He is the best potential left sided midfeilder we have and is so creative (that is also a problem position). I need to know if there is a riff with him or something.
Rationale for 3-4-3:
Argentina are blessed with some big and quality central defenders, hence, the decision to play 3 centrals. We also have great central midfielders who can pass, shoot and not to mention, tackle and go forward and thats all we would need from them. At the moment, D’allessandro is in good stead for world cup 2010 as is Maxi, so they coould play on the left and right respectively. And then we could have a front three with pure pace. I’m sure about Aguero and messi, whether we should look for anotoher striker with more height and body or go with Tevez needs to be looked at.
Players that should always be selected til 2010 are:
Daniel Diaz, Burdisso, Gonzalo Rodriguez, Colloccini, Militto, Messi, Aguero, Tevez, mascherano, Gago, Di’allesandro, lucho, maxi Rodriguez, Ustari and Carrizo. We have some great young talents coming up who needs time to prove themselves so we can look out for them. Does anyone know how i cold get this email writing to Basille or the Argentine Federation. I need to see them win a worldcup before i am no more. I also need to knowl if i’m the only one who agrees with this.

Posted from  United States