2010 WCQ: Peru v Argentina LIVE

WOW! What a figure to earn!

Posted from  United States

FAB,
I’ve just readen your link which is quite “shocking”.
http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=724265&s=mundial&type=story
Do you guys believe in all this?
Pekerman managed to avoid these kinds of situations by selecting a united group of players and friends in 2006. Good luck to el coco. If he has lost the confidence of his men, he should leave (of course, only if it is the truth).

Albo, i hope you reconsider, i like reading your posts.

It’s very sad to hear about problems in the dressing rooms, and i really hope it’s not true, we need a united team who all have one common goal, and that is to play to the best of their abilities for their national team and win. Whatever happens behind closed doors should stay behind closed doors when the players come out on the pitch.

I’m sorry if I bring some pessimism with what I’m going to say but I think we haven’t won any of the last 6 games. Tell me if I’m wrong:

0-0 USA
1-1 Ecuador
0-0 Brazil
0-0 Belarus
1-1 Paraguay
1-1 Peru

Worst. We could have really lost against Brazil (Batista’s shot on the line), Ecuador (Palacio saved us) & Paraguay (Pato gave a gol, we were 10).

ALBO is right. We all need some rest and leave our passion aside for a while. Basile is getting us tired.

Aimar10 & Debashish… thats just not a proper thing to say that one should have whacked him down and see a red. Isn’t this what would be said anti-football. At the one end we cry hoarse as the only team who plays fair and with flair and at the other end we want players to whack opponents getting deliberate yellows & reds to get three points (probably undeserved in this match). Argentina did not deserve 3 points and sharing points was only justified. Let’s accept this, I would never want argentina to resort to those tactics just to scrap a win.

Debashish ur comment about Mourinho “That’s a tactical manager for me. I do not like his style of play, but that’s the kind of Manager we need.” is quite baffling because you say you do not like his style but thats what you want!! Do you want Argentina to be like Mourinho’s Chelsea ??? For all the trophies & facetious insight he has, i will never like his style.

I have been on this blog since the WC 2006, and i think fans here on this blog so much over-analyse the situation. I just hope they don’t watch the match with pencils and notebooks and make a scorecard of each player. People are always unhappy they win 6-0 there will be people complaining about something or other they draw 1-1 it’s kuttabadi (dog-house) here. Let’s cut some slack to the team & Basile, it’s extremely presumptuous of us that Basile & the team is out of their element and do not analyse the situation.

Posted from  United States

BTW.. have u guys heard Ray Hudson’s commentary..he is on goltv ofr la-liga..here’s a link
http://rayhudson.wordpress.com/

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I was a little bored, so I went all the way back to the blog’s inceptions to see if we have become a little more melodramatic with Basile in charge or if we have always been the same. See for yourself: http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/category/world-cup-2006/page/9

From the very first thread: “Riquelme — Is he too slow or not?”, or a classic pre WC thread “Get El Pato out of Goal!”, we’ve debated, re-debated the same topics over and over again to the point where we are all finally back to ground zero. However much we have complained / debated / engaged in spirited conversation, it seems as if nothing has changed. I guess the only thing we can conclude is that the Argentina coaching staff doesn’t a) read this blog b) listen to the fans opinion. what a shame….

amit singh in case you didn’t know fouls are apart of the game. i am not saying to go out and injure a guy but if you have a cahnce foul which can help you win the game why not take it. its not like battaglia was behind vargas and would have to go through him they were both side by side so i see nothing wrong with a tackle. if you don’t want to see tackles maybe you should stop watching football, whitch is a contact sport and watch a less contact sport like golf.

@Aimar10….Tackles & whacking a guy from behind are two different things altogether…tackles can be legitimate if u go for the ball. What u suggested is that why not take the guy down not ..sorry i don’t like that..may be u do and thats how u want ur team to play…good for u…Don’t masquerade malicious fouls by saying its a contact sport….go for the ball not the man…
Golf eh! i don’t think so…

Posted from  United States

to me its not a question of “he is doing a bad job get him out”

its the Argentina style “hey thats my cousin can you give him a job coaching”

trust me son todos corrupto Basile will be in charge till he dies or his generation of boca players do

Posted from  Canada

those argentinos les arde that peru made their lives miserable so shut up hold it

those argentinos les arde that peru made their lives miserable so shut up hold it

no matter what argentina is nothing
sin maradona so cool off no requelma no messi you need maradona to play for argentina o maybe not because peru can use reyna to neutralize him…….chau see you next time when argentina empate again

Albo,

although you have spent enormous
energy to make sure
I am banned here, I still
believe you can still
contribute. So please come back
Love
Ken

Ah, I don’t know. I like some of what Basile tries to do. I like his dedication to playing smal, skilful players whereas the rest of the world is determined to turn Olympic sprinters in to soccer players. I also think his notion of letting the players take responsibilty for what gos on the pitch is a magnificent, romantic notion. However, it’s his player selection that drives me mad. I just don’t think he is capable of putting together a squad of 23 and fielding the best 11 in their proper positions.
I have no doubt there is a divided locker room. Hell, we’ve noticed divisions, so I’m sure the players have. Not sure if it is as bad as the reports suggest (geez: they make it sound like its gang warfare and that doesn’t fit any of the players personalities). But let’s imagine this:
Basile says he won’t play Lucho or Cavenaghi because they play in weaker leagues. He proves with his own actions what bullshit this is. First, he calls up Lisandro and Di Maria from the same league as Lucho. Denis has played in Italy for all of two minutes and he gets picked ahead of Cavegol. No disrespect to Denis, but I think Basile favours him because he is ‘his’ discovery. He is kind of ‘Palermo-lite’ (I know I’ll get shit for that. But his ball control and range isn’t that of the other two choices. I think Denis is squarely behind both Cavenaghi and Lisandro Lopez yet he gets picked ahead of them, why? Carizzo has played for River plate and now Lazio and yet Abbondancieri of Getafe (a smaller club than both) is ahead of him in the pecking order. The players surely ask ‘why’? Daniel Diaz played well in two games, but why is he picked ahead of Gonzalo who is younger, plays better at club level and, as Basile himself suggests, plays for a bigger club that Diaz’s Getafe. So the players surely ask ‘why’? Basile breaks his own rules. He clearly picks Boca players over other Argentine players so of course that is gonna cause friction in the camp. The players will have noticed all of that.
Basile played Verona and Riquelme together when the whole world knew that that wouldn’t work. He brought Veron back in to the team a year after he had had a fight on the pitch with the former Argentine captain. Why? Surely that will cause friction.
Zanetti was a great player, but geez: he is going to be 37, 37!!!, in 2010. A national team is a generation of playes with one or two elder statesman. That is what Pekerman did so well. He picked players of the same peer group. There will be no division in terms of age, ideology etc. Yet Basile picks a mixed bag of every culture, style and age group. Of course there will be divisions.
And you only need one number 5! Mascherano is that number 5, Cambiasso his substitute. Cambiasso can play number 8 but behind Gago (who I now think is excellent) and Lucho. Basile’s other big discovery: Jonas Gutierrez is not a player for the Argentina national team and you can quote me. Style-wise he is on a completely different wavelength to everyone else.
Look: I think Aguero is a freak. Th eway he played against Schalke recently shows what ability he has. Scary. The only reason we don’t rave about him more is because we have Messi who is an even greater prodigy. Those two can work together but with a number 9 as neither is capable or has the desire to do that role themselves. Teams plan for Argentina now: they know what they are gonna do. I still say, as I have written before, that the players you swap are Aguero and Riquelme. Some games play a three man attack with Aguero-Messi and Cavenaghi. Other games, depending ont he teams style (no fast winger to counter for a start) play Riquelme, Messi and Cavenaghi. The last time Argentina played well (4-1 to mexico) it was with Aguero and messi playing off a number 9. Against fast teams we should do that as well, slower tempo teams, play Riquelme. It’s just adapting your tactics.
I adore Argentina and its football. I dread what is happening at the moment. The AFA needs to sit with Basile and ask directly what he is gonna do. You know why: Ecuador at home, Paraguay at home, Peru away: they were the easy games. Argentina still have to play Uruguay home and away, Chile away, Brazil again, Bolivia away, Ecuador away, Paraguay away. Those are games that team, the team that has played the last 3 qualifiers can lose and Argentina can’t afford to lose many more.
Plhew! What a long post. I thank anyone that had the patience to read it.

Posted from  United States

FELIPE,
I read it and agree with you, like everyone here, I suppose.

Did you guys read the letter of Basile’s son? He says his father isn’t Ben Laden or Hitler??? Futbol is bringing everyone completely crazy.

3 mins in Man U vs Liverpool .. Tevez scores, easy set finish after very nice cross from Berbatov from the edge of the penalty box

Maxi: yeah but by that rationale you can’t criticise anyone. That’s like me saying ‘I think this movie sucks’ and someone saying ‘come on: it’s not like it’s Nazi propaganda.’ Well, of course it’s not but it’s still a bad movie.
About your earlier point when Argenina scored against Peru and the players all ran to Heinze. That’s an underrated point. I mean, this is a player that in the days earlier had had a private and public argument with the coach and then all the players at their earliest opportunity go to that player. The others all felt that Heinze was treated harshly: one mistake and then he’s immediately substituted and, by all accounts, kicked off the team. That creates a bad atmosphere and tension and the other players can probably sympathise. I remember when Cruz played in the summer and every time he missed an opportunity he looked to the bench looking sick as if he knew he was blowing his few chances in the national team. Fortunately, it was Cruz anyway, but that’s not a good message to send to a team: screw up once and you’re off the team forever.

Posted from  United States

It’s maybe a problem of authority from el Coco, I don’t know. We can only judge from the outside of the team so it’s not easy to know exactly what is going on in the locker room. Knowing Basile’s poor & awkward communication towards the press & fans, I wouldn’t be surprised of a lack of psycology regarding Heinze. Some players can do mistakes (Pato), others don’t (Heinze). This is what we see. Heinze is a crucial player, he’s the only left foot defender we have so I really hope he doesn’t leave.

In general, We never know the exact causes of a bad atmosphere in the team. We have these 2 examples: Pekerman excluded Veron & Zanetti in 2006. Pellegrini excluded Riquelme from Villareal. From the outside, these decisions seem us weird but in reality, they are generally justified.

It’s funny, MU’s Brown has just done the same kind of error Heinze did.

The same situation happened also to magnificent Mexes for France, last day. The golkeepers are also guilty (even more). They should dive and catch the ball like tigers instead of hesitating.

I really think Masche has come a long way under Benetiz. The commentators are blaming him for the first goal for leaving Tevez, but other than that he’s been a bull on the pitch and is showing some offensive flair in the form of nice passes into the area. He really is awesome to watch.

Amit Singh, I do not think you understand the game at all, both tactically as well as rules wise. So I don’t think it is necessary to answer your commnets about me. No hard feelings. Spend more time here, you will be less baffled, you are most welcome here!

BTW, I am not saying this because I feel you are new, you are not I know. Keep posting pal!

Zabaleta will be in action tonite against Chelsea. We’ll see how he matchup against Cole. I hope, he’ll be Zanetti’s natural replacement in NT’s 3 men defense for the next 2 years, at right midfield. Zanetti should be ready to be his backup role.

Posted from  Malaysia

I’m open to learning and i must say i have learnt a lot from this blog…If ur answer is i don’t understand the game both tactically or rule wise…ur smugness is quite apparent but is not convincing…May be i don’t understand what is being tactical , as Roman once said “I don’t even know the meaning of that word” ….but i’m sure u do…
please don’t welcome me, makes me feel ur the host & i’m the meandering hobo….

Posted from  United States

like this the conclusion is basile should go out….and don’t become Argentina coach again…..what is wrong with AFA?Terminated Basile licence…and give Batista or Burruchaga…..Now the 2010 wcup is near…..

Posted from  Malaysia