What do you want?

October 5th, 2006 | By: Jonathan | 211 Comments »

Argentina vs. Spain
October 11th, 2006.

We know the players:
Goalkeepers: Roberto Abbondanzieri, Leonardo Franco

Defenders: Fabricio Coloccini, Gabriel Heinze, Roberto Ayala, Gabriel Milito, Leonardo Ponzio, Rodolfo Arruabarrena

Midfielders: Pablo Zabaleta, Maxi Rodriguez, Pablo Aimar, Leandro Somoza, Javier Mascherano, Luis Gonzalez, Federico Insua, Daniel Bilos

Forwards: Sergio Aguero, Lionel Messi, Javier Saviola, Carlos Tevez, Hernan Crespo

What line up would you like to see?
Do you want Argentina to come out in a 3-4-1-2, a 4-4-2 or perhaps a 3-4-3?
A veteran line up, or a new look with young talent?
How about a mix of the two?

Here’s my wish list:

We come out in a 2-2-1-3-2

Pato in goal.
He was shaky before the cup, but solidified his role during the tournament.
We’ll need a reliable goalie for the Copa America. After that… let’s hope Utsari is a fixture in the lineup, in prep for South Africa.

In defense, we start:
Ayala and Heinze.
Just ahead of them on the wings are Ponzio & Arruabarrena.
Both wingers can drop and pull effectively. This is the strategy that Basile is looking for. A reflection of Boca Juniors, with Krupoviesa & Ibarra.
And we all know how solid the 2 veterans are in the middle.

This formation adds fluidity to the back line, and it’s also convenient for the counter-attacks.

In midfield, we start:
Mascherano as the lone defensive-mid.
As of now, he’s our number “5.”
Just don’t be surprised to see Fernando Gago taking his place in the future.

Then we should start:
Maxi, Aimar and Bilos

Bilos and Maxi are traditional wingers, with Bilos occasionally sliding inside to disrupt the opposing defense.
This will work well with Aimar who brings the speed we’ve been missing with Riquelme.

In attack, we start:
Tevez and Messi… for lack of options.

I would have had Crespo in for Tevez, but Crespo injured his leg with Inter.
And I would have had Milito in instead of Crespo, but he wasn’t called for the team.

The Messi / Tevez combo isn’t the best pair for Argentina, as they both produce the same results. See the Brazil game for examples…

I define Messi, Tevez, Palacio, Aguero, and Saviola in one role… the rabbits.
These players are quick, have lots of control, and are extremely exciting, but they lack the power of the next group.

Crespo, Milito, Cavenaghi, Cruz and Palermo.
These are the Bati-golers.

The traditional number 9’s of Argentina. They score, usually ugly, but they count as goals nonetheless.

You need one of each to compliment each other.
There you have it.

What do you want?



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Username By maradona | October 11th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
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Zabaleta instead of Sorin - what a joke.

This team doesnt deserve to be supported.

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Username By Jason | October 11th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
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U mean Zabaleta instead of Zanetti. Sorin plays on Arrubarena’s side. The team sucks, Basile needs to have more time with the players than 3 days. No cohesiveness!!! We f’n suck, El Pato saved from really being destroyed and Bilos played decent…everybody else sucked!

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Username By Messay | October 11th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
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guys (batigol), I am sorry. I doubt it could get any worst than this, I mean, we lost to Brazil (by a spanking) and now to spain, i dont think it could be any worst than this. I mean usually when Argentina loses, they still play so beautiful that you feel good about it. I remember when we lost to ENGLAND, i was sad, but i couldnt believe how beautiful we played, but after watching this game, i think we are on no where near the team we were. this is very sad for our game. we are really on the down.

WE are depending on guys who are so young Messi & Aguero.

We are depending on guys who have yet to prove themselves in the big stages (Mascherano, tevez, gago)

Our leaders are really old (Pato, Ayala, Crespo, Zanetti)

and our guys who have proved themselves in the big stages and are doing well are either not getting rejected by the coaches (Aimar, Samuel, Cambiasso, Burdisso, Saviola) or retiring (Riquelme). This is very very very very worrying to me. Am I right in feeling this way or am I just crazy???

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Username By Batigol | October 11th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
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It is not Basile’s fault, it is AFA’s fault. They should have hired a young coach like Batistuta or Maradona. I am sick of the coaches that AFA usually picks.

Look at Klinsmann and what he did for Germany. Look at Dunga, so far he is doing great with Brazil. Donadoni starting to pick it up for Italy. Van Basten did very well with his team.

Experience doesn’t matter sometimes, it all depends on the coach himself, not how long he’s been coaching or how old he is.

AFA should do something before it is too late.

I think current Germany will kill current Argentina, maybe 4-0 or something.

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Username By Messi | October 11th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
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Luciano Figueroa anyone?

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Username By ken | October 11th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
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Messay,
You are definitely not crazy, just upset like the rest of that our team did so poorly today.

For those of you(not you Messay) who hated Riquelme, are you much happier now that he is gone?

As Albo stated in a post before the game, Basile is just trying out. It is apparent that he is doing so if you looked at the substitutions.

I am not as upset as some of you guys because I am sure it would take a very long time to build a team even remotely close to our world cup 2006 specially without Riquelme.

I was way more upset when we lost against Germany because we were a great team. I still wonder whether we can ever build a team like that again. Yes I mean ever..

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Username By maradona | October 11th, 2006 at 5:45 pm
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I meant Arubbawhat instead of Sorin. Zabaleta was terrible today but Zanetti hasnt been very impressive lately either with Inter (though I will take Zanetti insted of Zabaleta anyday).

Riquelme, Cambiasso, Burdisso, Walter Samuel, Aimar (he was pathetic today), Sorin and Crespo HAVE to be back for Argentina to win any of its games in the coming year.

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Username By Riquelme | October 11th, 2006 at 6:15 pm
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LOL

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Username By Riquelme | October 11th, 2006 at 6:20 pm
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The World Loves Riquelme. Argentines Hate Him.Last time, I was accused of Being a Brazilian Supporter, when I spoke high of Riquelme. LoL. Do you understand football at all? Watch out a replay of your game in the Worldcuo and what have you been now?

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Username By Messi | October 11th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
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form in our last 5 friendlies:

Spain 2-1 (lost)
Brazil 3-0 (lost)
Angola 2-0 (won)
Croatia 3-2 (lost)
England 3-2 (lost)

So we are good hey?

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Username By maradona | October 11th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
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Riquelme is the best Argentinian fooballer out there. Not playing without him is like France playing without Zidane before he retired. This team is a disgrace.

Btw Messi, I dont know why you think Tevez hasnt proven himself. Tevez has proven himself in the big league more then most Argentinian players. South American player of the year 2 years in a row, scored in 70% of games while at Corinthians, Olympic gold medal and player of the tournament, excellent performance in world cup. What more do you want?

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Username By Messi | October 11th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
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the big leagues? He is now in the premeirship and sucking. Olympics is a joke and world cup he was on the bench. Come on get serious. I like the guy but that does not mean he is great.

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Username By maradona | October 11th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
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Tevez isnt playing very bad with West Ham. The team sucks overall. The Brazilian league is far tougher and skillful then EPL if you didnt realize already. Olympics is a joke for you perhaps. Dont say that to the players who participate in it. Lot of people think he is great and he has certainly proven he is special. His games at West Ham dont count for shit.

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Username By maradona | October 11th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
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Forgot to mention his excellent performances while at Boca.

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Username By OilerFan | October 11th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
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what a dissapointment today. I’m sorry, but i think the team misses JRR, we need him…say what u will about him, but he brings a certain control to our game, that we lack otherwise…i like aimar, but to me, he’s not the master controller the way Riquelme was…he’s just not as effective as a playmaker…today, he was nowhere to be seen.

I think we need to calm down abit though…Basile is just trying a few new things and obviously today’s system like in the game against brazil, did’nt work. Anyone else really miss Sorin?? I did, i think he’s instrumental in terms of the energy he brings to the matches, no one else has the same enthusiam on our side right now.

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Username By Messi | October 11th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
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how many times are you going to see players perform at freaking boca/independeinte/river etc and then not do shite in europe. These are 2 very very different worlds. No body cares how good players were in Boca. We are playing at the NT level here against other countries!

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Username By OilerFan | October 11th, 2006 at 7:18 pm
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Oh and guys, i know losing sucks, but this match did’nt mean anything, its just a friendly, and frankly Spain faught harder b/c they had more to lose (i mean they lost to sweden!! and their coach was close to getting fired if they did’nt have a result today).

We played badly, but our players are’nt bad, they just need time together and a decent system in place. I think Basile is still experimenting, and until he finds the right combination of players in the right positions, we’re prob gonna look like crap for awhile, lol. I’m not that worried to be honest, we have a great crop of talent, we just need to find the right way to play.

But damn i miss our WC team…Riquelme, Sorin, Heinze, Cambiasso, Maxi, Savi, etc…it just makes me think…pekerman actually achieved a small miracle the way he got our guys to perform so well…he made it look easy, and now that he’s gone, we’re reminded that what he achieved was’nt easy, it must have taken alot of work. Basile is going to have a challenge on his hands, thats for sure.

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Username By maradona | October 11th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
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This team needs Sorin. His energy, leadership and excellent passing will make this 11 look like a team rather then a bunch of bewildered kids. I see him as a playmaking leftback. He had crucial contributions to 3 of Argentina’s best goals in the world cup and he is one of the few leftbacks in the world who can run up and down the field for 90 minutes.

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Username By maradona | October 11th, 2006 at 7:29 pm
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Aimar’s performance today was bad but he came in at a time when the team was already in complete disarray thanks to jokers like Somoza, Arubbawhaat, Zabaleta and Insua.

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Username By Messay | October 11th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
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haha, maradona (Arubbawhaat??) lol, but I agree with Messi, playing in Boca or Corinthians and so on doesnt do a whole lot in comparison to playing in Champions League, or LA LIGA or EPL or the Italian League.

This isnt to say Tevez isnt good or anything, I am just saying he isnt experience as the likes of Crespo, Ayala, Cambiasso, Heinze, Sorin, and the rest. The reason why our team was so good in the WC is because the leaders of the team were very experienced. again, Crespo, Ayala, riquelme, Heinze, Burdisso, Sorin, and so on. We killed perkman for picking saviola over tevez(but now i see why). I dont think this team is ready at all.

This team needs to stop calling players that we already know arent National team material. I am so sorry but, Bilos, Insua, Samoza, Arruberanna, Zabeleta, and even Lucho dont belong here. I understand some of us saying Basile is expermenting, but you experminte with the purpose of producing something good. You dont mix green and yello expecting black. so he needs to stop mixing in players we know wont produce anything. why are we trying INSUA as a playmaker???? we have Aimar, if not him then shoot bring back D’allasandro, or even see if he could convince riquelme back, not go down to insua. Striker positions, stop playing people out of position. Messi couldnt do anything today because he was stuck in the front. he is a slasher give him the ball in the midfield he will slice and dice through the field. he is trying things that he shouldnt be trying. If he really wants to go wild in trying players then why not bring in USTAR instead of PATO??? try him.

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Username By Desmond | October 12th, 2006 at 1:44 am
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i always hope tht crespo injury would get better … he’s the STAR*** u know…and… i thought the formation should be
gk-roberto
df-ayala , sorin , samuel , heinze
mf-machesrano , messi [ thought he will be a better winger ]
,bilos, maxi , aimar [ for replacing riquelme ]
fw-saviola , crespo [ if he wouldn't be in injury...]

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Username By Thierry | October 12th, 2006 at 2:12 am
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RIQUELME !!!! RIQUELME !!!! RIQUELME !!!!

For me, he was the great artisan of Argentina good results in WC. One of the best playmakers of the World. Certainly like Zidane, he was fragile and need to be protected {Not play all the matches…accept his bda achievement). I hope he will come back.

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Username By Rune | October 12th, 2006 at 4:29 am
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I saw the whole game live. What a terrible game by Argentina again.
Messi was not good and I think his start to the season has been poor. Nowhere near the level he played in last season. Maybe it`s just because all defenders know all about him now. This season we will really get to see if he is a first class player.As I`ve said before, Messi and Tevez can NOT play as the attacking duo. They are both second strikers and they need to bo played together with a true goalscorer, like Crespo. But for the future I see no true goalscorer coming up, really. Maybe Diego Milito could be thet guy. There are ,like always in Argentine football, lots of speedy and skillful second strikers(Saviola, Messi,Tevez,Aguero,Palacio)but we desperatly need a true goalscorer to come up!!
And Insua(!)….what the f… is he doing in this team?? When Roman does not want to play, the idiot Basile MUST use Aimar!!!
Somoza is really shit! Bringing him on for Lucho in the second half and play with both him and Mascherano was really clever, Basile.
Arruabarena is 33 years old and a mediocre player.
Zabaleta is not good. Mediocre player .

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Username By Alexa | October 12th, 2006 at 8:41 am
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I haven’t seen this game, and now I don’t really want to.

It’s just a friendly, and the Spanish team has had more real time as a unit because of Euro qualifying, wheras, again, Arg has to put things together on the fly. So that should be considered.

BUT - It’s very troubling that Basile doesn’t seem to want to play the best players, and would rather go for the Boca players. I do sort of remember an interview I read of Batistuta, and he talked about how at first the Basile team looked terrible, but then the unit clicked and they went on that 33 game winning streak. But the coach needs to make the right decisions, that are not based on ego and personal loyalties.

And to whoever was glad that Riquelme is off the NT. This is what the NT looks like without him. Get used to it. At least our golaie didn’t kick the ball in the net.

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Username By KUN AGUERO | October 15th, 2006 at 1:56 am
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who watch the hand of god from KUN AGUERO A.madrid vs recreativo . really intelligent el kun . Can be a new maradona .

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