Comments on: SuperClassico Sunday -Argentina v Brazil http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html World Cup 2006 - Germany Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:29:11 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: fuvueefe http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-134068 fuvueefe Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:13:36 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-134068 fffffffffffffuck argentian brazil is the best for ever, don't dream brazil is better along the history , and will always be better ,, ,, and better and the best in the world again fuck every argentinan fuck every body fuck argentina fffffffffffffuck argentian
brazil is the best for ever, don’t dream brazil is better along the history , and will always be better ,, ,, and better and the best in the world again fuck every argentinan
fuck every body
fuck argentina

]]> By: Leandro http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133969 Leandro Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:17:37 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133969 Olhem esse blog, o que eles vem escrevendo da Argentina ... www.futebola.wordpress.com Olhem esse blog, o que eles vem escrevendo da Argentina … http://www.futebola.wordpress.com

]]> By: Alexa http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133781 Alexa Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:06:03 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133781 I think the best approach is to look at a team mentality and if that means leaving a Ronaldinho or Riquelme out so be it.------------- No team mentality benefit is worth losing players like that. I think the best approach is to look at a team mentality and if that means leaving a Ronaldinho or Riquelme out so be it.————-

No team mentality benefit is worth losing players like that.

]]> By: Mane http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133722 Mane Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:45:56 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133722 "Riquelme, bless his soul, is unstoppable under the right conditions" Interesting quote from "thedude" but should it read under the right team instead? I look at Ronaldinho who does great at Barcelona but I don't like him in the brazilian team why is that? At Barca he has top talent to work with which he does not have with Brazil where he finds himself competing with others. I think the best approach is to look at a team mentality and if that means leaving a Ronaldinho or Riquelme out so be it. “Riquelme, bless his soul, is unstoppable under the right conditions”

Interesting quote from “thedude” but should it read under the right team instead? I look at Ronaldinho who does great at Barcelona but I don’t like him in the brazilian team why is that? At Barca he has top talent to work with which he does not have with Brazil where he finds himself competing with others. I think the best approach is to look at a team mentality and if that means leaving a Ronaldinho or Riquelme out so be it.

]]> By: thedude http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133661 thedude Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:38:16 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133661 Miany - I like your analysis. Riquelme, bless his soul, is unstoppable under the right conditions. Argentina should have anticipated the smothering defense to him and adjusted their game, and Riquelme should have adjusted his game too with more off the ball movement, as you say. I also agree with day1star in that having Tevez and Messi up front was a mistake also - you'll need at least one larger, more physical forward against the style Brazil employed. That neither of those guys were substituted out was bad, although I think they were working hard (esp. Tevez) and that's why they were not taken out of the game. Something I haven't seen a lot of here (maybe I've just missed it) was that Riquelme was TERRIBLE on free kicks. For the amount of free kicks that he took (from the millions of fouls), to have so few look threatening is embarrassing. Miany -

I like your analysis. Riquelme, bless his soul, is unstoppable under the right conditions. Argentina should have anticipated the smothering defense to him and adjusted their game, and Riquelme should have adjusted his game too with more off the ball movement, as you say. I also agree with day1star in that having Tevez and Messi up front was a mistake also – you’ll need at least one larger, more physical forward against the style Brazil employed. That neither of those guys were substituted out was bad, although I think they were working hard (esp. Tevez) and that’s why they were not taken out of the game.

Something I haven’t seen a lot of here (maybe I’ve just missed it) was that Riquelme was TERRIBLE on free kicks. For the amount of free kicks that he took (from the millions of fouls), to have so few look threatening is embarrassing.

]]> By: thedude http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133651 thedude Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:36:17 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133651 Alexa - OK, good analysis. That's exactly how I feel - Brazil played ugly, but they won. Brazil just out-muscled Argentina, pure and simple. Sorry for the insulting language, but Albi fans are so touchy that it feels as if one smidgen of criticism opens up the floodgates of "screw you Brazil fan" when I'm not even a Brazil fan, so I feel the need to answer back in kind. Like I said, it's the way to win games - you guys here bemoan the loss of the beautiful game, but it's not a winning strategy. An example here in the US is in the NBA - the Phoenix Suns vs. the San Antonio Spurs. The Suns play an attractive, high flying pace of basketball. The Spurs play a very boring, methodical, and sometimes quite physical style. Guess who walks away with championship trophies? I like to be entertained. I like beautiful, flowing football as much as any other football fan. However, I also like to see when coaches make strategic moves and it works out beautifully. Dunga made a move, and Basile did not have an answer. Argentina could not adjust to the blanketing of their top two playmakers. Teams that deserve championships can step up to a challenge like that. Alexa – OK, good analysis. That’s exactly how I feel – Brazil played ugly, but they won. Brazil just out-muscled Argentina, pure and simple. Sorry for the insulting language, but Albi fans are so touchy that it feels as if one smidgen of criticism opens up the floodgates of “screw you Brazil fan” when I’m not even a Brazil fan, so I feel the need to answer back in kind.

Like I said, it’s the way to win games – you guys here bemoan the loss of the beautiful game, but it’s not a winning strategy. An example here in the US is in the NBA – the Phoenix Suns vs. the San Antonio Spurs. The Suns play an attractive, high flying pace of basketball. The Spurs play a very boring, methodical, and sometimes quite physical style. Guess who walks away with championship trophies?

I like to be entertained. I like beautiful, flowing football as much as any other football fan. However, I also like to see when coaches make strategic moves and it works out beautifully. Dunga made a move, and Basile did not have an answer. Argentina could not adjust to the blanketing of their top two playmakers. Teams that deserve championships can step up to a challenge like that.

]]> By: day1star http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133629 day1star Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:45:10 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133629 I really like reading this blog, it's so good to hear so many different views. My own take on the game was that firstly our defence was too slow to react and shut down Brazil. There was no width in our formation. There was a lack of height in the brazilian penalty box making it easy for the brazilian defence to cut out all crosses coming into the penalty box. I think tactically Basile had no plan B or C, in case plan A didn't work. I think Messi was one of the few players who really did try along with Riquelme in the first half to get us back into the game and if we hadn't conceded the second goal in the first half, the second half may have been different. I think the line-up was wrong, you can't play with both Tevez and Messi up front, against physically bigger sides they are nullified as a threat, if you want to play with both of them in the team then Messi must play in the midfield with Tevez upfront with a crespo-esque type of striker. It's a shame that Basile didn't change tactics versus Brazil, because playing with width would have tested the Brazilians. Riquelme didn't have a great game but then again there were a lot worse players on the pitch, and i was mystified by our freekicks, there was no innovation no inventiveness. But that said I think with a bit of psychological coaching and a few adjustments to the squad (bring in Maxi Rodriguez, some young pacy defenders, and some young hungry players) and we should have a team that brings results in the big matches. I really think that the senior team could actually take a few lessons from the under 20 squad, because they work hard for the full 90 odd minutes they are on the pitch, when they lose the ball they hustle until they get the ball back, they're not scared of the opposition and when plan a doesn't work they seem to have a plan b. With regards to Riquelme and Messi give them time and they will forge a good understanding, apart from the last game, they were getting better and better, and one more thing Riquelme needs a foil but Veron is too slow and his passing is not very accurate, i think Aimar would have been a better foil, and Cambiasso hasn't looked in very good form in this tournament. I would be very interested to hear what any of you think. P.S. The ref was crap. I really like reading this blog, it’s so good to hear so many different views.
My own take on the game was that firstly our defence was too slow to react and shut down Brazil. There was no width in our formation. There was a lack of height in the brazilian penalty box making it easy for the brazilian defence to cut out all crosses coming into the penalty box.
I think tactically Basile had no plan B or C, in case plan A didn’t work.
I think Messi was one of the few players who really did try along with Riquelme in the first half to get us back into the game and if we hadn’t conceded the second goal in the first half, the second half may have been different.
I think the line-up was wrong, you can’t play with both Tevez and Messi up front, against physically bigger sides they are nullified as a threat, if you want to play with both of them in the team then Messi must play in the midfield with Tevez upfront with a crespo-esque type of striker.
It’s a shame that Basile didn’t change tactics versus Brazil, because playing with width would have tested the Brazilians.
Riquelme didn’t have a great game but then again there were a lot worse players on the pitch, and i was mystified by our freekicks, there was no innovation no inventiveness.
But that said I think with a bit of psychological coaching and a few adjustments to the squad (bring in Maxi Rodriguez, some young pacy defenders, and some young hungry players) and we should have a team that brings results in the big matches.
I really think that the senior team could actually take a few lessons from the under 20 squad, because they work hard for the full 90 odd minutes they are on the pitch, when they lose the ball they hustle until they get the ball back, they’re not scared of the opposition and when plan a doesn’t work they seem to have a plan b.
With regards to Riquelme and Messi give them time and they will forge a good understanding, apart from the last game, they were getting better and better, and one more thing Riquelme needs a foil but Veron is too slow and his passing is not very accurate, i think Aimar would have been a better foil, and Cambiasso hasn’t looked in very good form in this tournament.
I would be very interested to hear what any of you think.
P.S. The ref was crap.

]]> By: miany http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133589 miany Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:37:05 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133589 hi all, A huge disappointment and let-down from argentina.. but its kind of okay now... i am getting used to it now...:( We really didnt have a plan B yesterday. Anybody could have guessed that Brazil will be trying to choke the midfield and counter attack. They had a perfect game plan (not befitting to a normal brazilian side, but very effective indeed!!!) and they had no problems in executing that. They were able to take riquelme completely out of the game yesterday. Messi and tevez never received good passes from the midfield. Moreover, riquelme doesnt have the off the ball movement like aimar. He will be waiting for the ball and 2-3 brazilians were always running at him. He doesnt move without the ball that really (I am forced to tell this... Roman is really slow and he never trace back!!! ). So if somebody is man-marking him (like brazil did yesterday), its quite easy to cut-out the last pass to the striker. I think aimar should have started along with riquelme. No one can man-mark both aimar and riquelme together.... Having said all these, i still dont want argentina to change their basic game plan which is ofcourse to "pass, pass and pass". But its good to a plan B incase plan A fails. For me, we should have a proper defenders in place of heinze and zanetti (atleast one should be a proper defender!!!). These guys go forward way too often and if cambiasso and veron are not doing the "dirty work" properly, its quite easy for a team to attack through the flanks. U just cant expect mascherano to be perfect all the time. Moreover, our attacking involves all the players pushing forward. its not like the traditional funnel thing in which if some attacking is happening on one side, the other side sit back deeply to provide depth to the defense for the attacking wing. I have a feeling that playing two overlapping full backs with two defensive midfielders is not going to help us anymore... We should be playing two attacking midfielders, two defensive midfielders and two dedicated full backs on the wings.... Anyway, congratulations to Brazil for their 9th Copa American cup.. hi all,
A huge disappointment and let-down from argentina.. but its kind of okay now… i am getting used to it now…:(

We really didnt have a plan B yesterday. Anybody could have guessed that Brazil will be trying to choke the midfield and counter attack. They had a perfect game plan (not befitting to a normal brazilian side, but very effective indeed!!!) and they had no problems in executing that. They were able to take riquelme completely out of the game yesterday. Messi and tevez never received good passes from the midfield. Moreover, riquelme doesnt have the off the ball movement like aimar. He will be waiting for the ball and 2-3 brazilians were always running at him. He doesnt move without the ball that really (I am forced to tell this… Roman is really slow and he never trace back!!! ). So if somebody is man-marking him (like brazil did yesterday), its quite easy to cut-out the last pass to the striker. I think aimar should have started along with riquelme. No one can man-mark both aimar and riquelme together….

Having said all these, i still dont want argentina to change their basic game plan which is ofcourse to “pass, pass and pass”. But its good to a plan B incase plan A fails. For me, we should have a proper defenders in place of heinze and zanetti (atleast one should be a proper defender!!!). These guys go forward way too often and if cambiasso and veron are not doing the “dirty work” properly, its quite easy for a team to attack through the flanks. U just cant expect mascherano to be perfect all the time.

Moreover, our attacking involves all the players pushing forward. its not like the traditional funnel thing in which if some attacking is happening on one side, the other side sit back deeply to provide depth to the defense for the attacking wing.

I have a feeling that playing two overlapping full backs with two defensive midfielders is not going to help us anymore… We should be playing two attacking midfielders, two defensive midfielders and two dedicated full backs on the wings….

Anyway, congratulations to Brazil for their 9th Copa American cup..

]]> By: Native Son http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133579 Native Son Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:23:35 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133579 After the first goal, I kind of knew that it was over. After Ayala's own goal, I let reality sink in. Brazil came with axes and hacked our players. They came to win and win did they. That was their sole mission. In the meantime, football went to the dogs. I have managed to take it. I love Argentina's game and even when they are losing, they still try to play a clean game. Sometimes it's good to stick to one's principles. Brazil on the other hand believes (at least for now) in winning at all cost. Their win didn't please me. If we had faced Mexico in the finals and lost, I'd have respected them. Look at the U20 Mexican team. They played a wonderful game and almost equalised. That is what football is all about. Deep down, Brazil players, fans, Dunga and everyone involved know that they did the bare minimum to win. It works yes but it is down right ugly. After the first goal, I kind of knew that it was over.

After Ayala’s own goal, I let reality sink in.

Brazil came with axes and hacked our players.

They came to win and win did they. That was their sole mission.

In the meantime, football went to the dogs.

I have managed to take it. I love Argentina’s game and even when they are losing, they still try to play a clean game. Sometimes it’s good to stick to one’s principles.

Brazil on the other hand believes (at least for now) in winning at all cost.

Their win didn’t please me.

If we had faced Mexico in the finals and lost, I’d have respected them.

Look at the U20 Mexican team. They played a wonderful game and almost equalised. That is what football is all about.

Deep down, Brazil players, fans, Dunga and everyone involved know that they did the bare minimum to win. It works yes but it is down right ugly.

]]> By: Mane http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html/comment-page-5#comment-133578 Mane Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:12:01 +0000 http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/superclassico-sunday-argentina-v-brazil.html#comment-133578 Alexa, relax and be happy, the good thing about this life is that there is a next time and I am sure that Argentina will win in future tournaments. I would not say that the silence in the brazilian side of this blog means there is no love for Brazil because the contrary is true, Brazil is a much beloved team all over the world for a variety of reasons indeed, it is the most popular team in the world. I think it is about time to stop this constant comparisons between Brazil and Argentina because it does more to elevate Brazil than to give due credit to Argentina. I am sick and tired of this comparisons about teams and players, que si PEle que si Maradona come on! Enough of that! Brazil has a unique place in the history of soccer kinda like Mohammed Ali in boxing but there have been and will be more champions and that is what we should all talk about. Alexa, relax and be happy, the good thing about this life is that there is a next time and I am sure that Argentina will win in future tournaments. I would not say that the silence in the brazilian side of this blog means there is no love for Brazil because the contrary is true, Brazil is a much beloved team all over the world for a variety of reasons indeed, it is the most popular team in the world. I think it is about time to stop this constant comparisons between Brazil and Argentina because it does more to elevate Brazil than to give due credit to Argentina. I am sick and tired of this comparisons about teams and players, que si PEle que si Maradona come on! Enough of that! Brazil has a unique place in the history of soccer kinda like Mohammed Ali in boxing but there have been and will be more champions and that is what we should all talk about.

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