Figures….broken hearts…the begginning of a new era…

I couldn’t read all of the opinions in this thread.
I would have liked to, but my time is very short this week. (gotta make up for a week of great football I saw at Copa America and U20).

Argentina won’t change its style, at least while Basile or someone like him is in charge.
And that has nothing to do with results.
Some people talk about styles like if it was a matter of choice.
Well it’s not a matter of choice.
As a football manager or coach you work with what you have.
If you have tough players, football is tough.
If you have quality players, football is more attractive.
Sure, that is no ticket to a championship, it’s just the brand of game your team can show.
I wouldn’t dramatize this anymore.
Brazil scored on us 4 minutes into the game. Anybody who has played the game knows that that event changes things.
Argentina tried to reorganize their game but Brazilians did exactly what you have to do when find yourself 1-0 so early in the game.
And when the field is so wide open, chances for 3 or 4 goals are not uncommon.
Brazil deserved the win. Parabems!!!
But that is in no way a reason for us to change what we are building on.
Those are two separate things, make no mistake about it.
History is full of examples where quality football gets the results.
But it’s also covered with examples where the less attractive game prevails.
Again, we play with what we have and we have a whole bunch of kids with unbelievable skills coming up.
Actually, the future of argentinean football couldn’t look and has never looked as good as it is right now.
Saludos y arriba los ánimos

Posted from  United States

well thing i notice about these tournaments are the team that starts out great doesn’t usually win these tournaments. arg played great up to the final, all the games were too eazy and most of them were blowouts the games became even boring at times. the team never had any adversity and then brazil came and changed everything. finally real compition came and arg basically choked they were so used to getting things there way, and were unable to do that against a determined bra. for some reason bra always raises its game for arg why can’t arg do the same.
there are many serious issues the team needs to face and it starts with the defense. i love ayala alot but i have never seen him play so awful and i hope his nt career doesn’t end like this. but we need younger and quicker defenders. samuel needs to be recalled. he has speed, very strong in the air and makes tough tackles he also has good experience. partner him with burdisso i think we are good right there. we do need an upgrade at lb as for rb zabaleta is there. pato should retire, the midfield needs some changes as well. we have no wingers. c’mon cambiasso and veron do not provide width and neither are good crossers. lucho was non existant at this copa, so dissapointed with him. i would also love to see aimar and riquelme both start. at least for one game, just to give it a try. aimar on the left and roman in the middle. as for the rest of the team we have so much potential regardless of this loss we still do have a bright future.

I still have nightmare. I still cannot forget the final…

Posted from  Indonesia

Oh no!

Posted from  United States

By the way, I’d love to see a Brazil versus Italy match or a Brazil versus Germany match.

I say this because these three teams play some ruthless football.

I can’t get over what Brazil did on Sunday.

As I wrote here after our loss, Brazil came with axes and whacked our players.

They either had to win, or WIN and they did win.

In the meantime, football has gone to the dogs.

I don’t feel bad for ARgentina. I hope they don’t change their beautiful game for that is the only reason as to why I got attracted to ARgentina.

Posted from  United States

Guys,
Here is a line up that i believe argentina should be trying out in future… Please post ur opinions on the same…

Ustari or Franco

Burdisso Milito Ayala Samuel

Gago Mashcerano

Riquelme

Messi Aimar or tevez

Crespo or palacio or Milito

I am stressing on having two proper defensive midfielders and Four proper defenders at the back… I dont know if playing Aimar on the left side makes sense, but i believe he can play anywhere. If we want more attacking, then take out gago and put Banega.. I really dont want us to toy with the defense anymore… enough overlapping full-backs…

Posted from  India

I was very very disappointed by the defeat to Brazil. Indeed I was so confident the we were finally going to win a trophy. All in all I wish to say that we need to learn our lessons from this devastating defeat. It was great to see Argentina playing good football bad sad to see them falter at the crucial moment. The coach can come up with new strategies and give new players a chance to play especially in the defence which is obviously weak. I am a bit disappointed with those suggesting a foreign coach; this is utter nonsense.We have to keep it home a local coah period. We just have to keep our focus a take stock. Lets find out where the problem is especially as concerns playing against Brazil for it is so painful having to always lose against them.I have always believed that Argentina is better than Brazil!!!

Friends,

A bastard told me the result of la Copa. I didn’t watch the game.

I don’t understand. Really don’t. We had outstanding players. The best of the world. No excuse. This is a bad joke from our players. Maybe we don’t have enough leaders in the team. Why do we stop playing like this? A mental problem? Futbol is very strange. I’ll read all your posts soon guys.

Don’t cry people, this is only futbol.

Posted from  United States

Nice to hear from you again Maxi. Great post Albo.

Miany dont bring the Militos in . Samuel as far as I can see has had it too.

Saviola as I stated before Copa started brings more to the table in attacking threat & link up play & far more mobility than DM.

Heinze has been prevented from moving to Liverpool thus increasing interest from Real Madrid. Manchester Utd expect to sign Tevez on Wednesday presumably on a loan basis with a view to a buy out.

As Alexa mentioned Palacio has been linked with Arsenal in a potential £15M deal.

This is still a golden generation in terms of sheer talent. All the junior coaches & those at each club deserve full credit for adhering to the tenets of Argentine football.

These are some of possibles/ probables over the next three years & makes you realise how Argentina’s youth development is envied around the world.

Wenger himself described it as a veritable talent factory.Feel free to add you own favourites or who you think can be potential newcomers.

Goalkeepers
Ustari Carizzo

Central Defenders
Garay Gonzalo Ferrari Diaz Burdisso Abraham Grimi(also LB)

Full Backs
Fazio Mareque Pinola Zanetti Insua C.Rodriguez

Defensive /Central Mids
Gago Masche Lucho Biglia Gutierrez Cambiasso Ledesma Demichelis Banega

Attacking Mids
Riquelme Aimar Cardozo Messi Sosa Maxi

Strikers
Crespo Cavenaghi Tevez Saviola Aguero Zarate di Maria Higuain

Posted from  United States

Hye all . In my opinion AURELIUS your line is one of the line up . I also hope CRESPO can play for ARGENTINA until 2010 world cup . If he do that , he will same with CANIGGIA because he play for NT until 35 years old . Other than that i think the others CRESPO maybe is HIGUAIN , but i don’t know why BASILE didn’t call him . I think ARGENTINA must change their coach to BATISTUTA or OSCAR RUGGERI but i think the best coach for ARGENTINA is CARLOS BILARDO . Remember when world cup 1990 with BILARDO ARGENTINA win with brazil in round 16 . MARADONA & CANIGGIA can beat 9 brazillian player but i don’t know what happen now . VAMOS ARGENTINA…VAMOS ARGENTINA…..i always with you .

Posted from  Malaysia

boohoohoohooohooooooooooo

don’t cry…you are always sooooo good…why can’t you ever win anything…boohoohooo..

maybe you can enter a concacaf tournament just to win something…waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

maybe this will make you feel better…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kFvXVlfu4vs

Posted from  United States

What argentina needs is a strong midfield which breaks up play and feeds more skillful players.

i think it was a mistake to play veron (veron is weak we need battlers, i think we need to produce a player like gatusso) and riquelme can play like a pirlo, i would play gago instead of veron.

would be nice to have sviola playing to.

hats off to brazil, forget style know how to win.

we learnt that from the italians when they won the world cup.

Don’t cry and Chupa, Argentina..!

One more time Argentina had the top-stars. One more time Brazil had a B team. And one more time the Brazilian B team was hungrier than the big-names of the rival nation.

Brazil played a mediocre competition, with a mediocre coach, but this Sunday, the players put their hearts in the tips of their boots. Argentineans, who usually are considered brave and restless, could not match the amount of effort put by the famous duo Mineiro-Josué and defenders Juan and Alex. When playing at Corinthians Tevez and Mascherano never won a match against São Paulo of Mineiro and Josué. Today, it was no different.

There was also an aspect of luck. The Gods of football were with Dunga. With 4 minutes, Elano, who was replacing Gilberto Silva, got a long-pass to Júlio Baptista. The beast was called in the last minute to replace Zé Roberto. He dominated the ball and fired it. What a goal!

The early goal forced Argentina into the Brazilian trap. Argentina advanced all players in hopes of getting a tie still on the first-half. The result was lots of space in their defense for the Brazilian counter-attack, which was explored with efficiency. Argentina hit the post, Doni saved a shot, and all the chances for Argentina scoring ended there.

Elano got injured, and for the first-time Dunga made a surprising and efficient substitution. Daniel Alves crossed the ball which the veteran Ayala pushed against his own net. Luck? There was more coming up in the second-half.

Brazil used all the tricks of a side that is used to important matches. Tackled, wasted time, made Argentina nervous with the progression of the clock. Juan and Alex were superb. Maicon and Gilberto either. And now Messi knows who Mineiro and Josué are. Brazil needed to get only one counter-attack right. One!

Before the 25th mark, Vagner Love passed the ball and Daniel Alves again! The replacement of the replacement scored the third. Match was over. Brazil B Champions again! Argentina still in the hiatus of titles! What a dramatic tango…

Brazil won a tournament without a coach, without a reliable goal-keeper, without a striker who scores, without any stars , with a team worse than the one from 2004 and with all the shady people from CBF in control.

Argentina, next time we will send our U-15. This is a promise. Just don’t choke when facing the yellow jersey again.

Yes sir…Pal…thanks for all the caring and support. As for B team or U-15, provided the god and football luck in still on your side, you will not have a problem.
But pray for the same when you play agaist France too..may be the god is French!

Posted from  India

I don’t think Argentina needs a foreign coach because there is nothing wrong with the way Argentina plays. You just need to add width and pace into the game. Players running down the flanks because against Brazil they were playing very narrow and very rarely got behind the Brazilian back four. Also pace at the back is very necessary, look at the under 20 team as an example of great linked passing movement combined with very fast effective defence, the under 20’s play with 2 number 5’s which i think our team needed on Sunday. The other thing which i think our team lacked was a good second string strategy of what to do if Riquelme is heavily marked.
But apart from that i don’t think that either Cambiasso or Veron passed the ball well, and truly i would have thought that Basile would have learnt from the September match against Brasil that Tevez and Messi cannot play upfront together against big physical sides. The only way to combine them both in one team is to have Messi in midfield with Tevez and a crespo-esque player playing upfront.
It reminds me of Pekerman who made a mistake in the England game and substituted Riquelme with five minutes to go and so ended up losing the game and then did the same thing against Germany. It seems to me that our managers don’t seem to learn from their mistakes until they have repeated them a couple of times, let’s hope that Basile has now learnt!
The future is bright the future is ARGENTINA.

And yes…thaks for giving all the football lessons to the u20 American team….

Posted from  India

who is ALI?
why ALI=KEN?

Posted from  Malaysia

The trolls. Guys I agree with the posts that say dont panic but we do need to open our eyes and see where changes need to be made. Obviously there is luck involved in every game and it was not with us but with all the skilled and talented players we have we need to put some strong and speedy chasers on this team. i agree that we are set at our d3efensive mid with Gago and Mashcerano who will both be two of the best number 5s in the world. That leaves our four offensvie players and four defenders. The foiur offensive is covered with Messi Roman Aimar Crespo as the ideal four for me. Defense I am somewhat more worried about. Not all four have to be dominant in speed but we need at least two barn burners. I like what I see from Burdisso and he has some height. I also liked what I saw from Diaz and I am not so sure Heinze woiuld not be a good fit if he were the token slow but skilled guy of the four. I could see a back four of Burdisso on the right Diaz and one more fast strong player in the middle and Heinze on the left. Goal keeper Cardisso. We will just have to watch the clubs and see who steps up this year.

Posted from  United States

SACK BASILE. HE’s A BUFFOON.

WE NEED NEW CENTRAL DEFENDERS WITh PACE!!

AND SHIP OUT VERON!! HE’S SURELY NOT GOING TO PLAY 2010 IN S.AFRICA!

Posted from  United States

Hi everyone..
did you miss me, i think not. i know i am not too nice when i post but i swear i want to respect everyone for one reason, which is i want to be respected back…
so let me share with you these thoughts…

i dont know why you argentinas are panicking?
you guys had the best team in the tournament. probably the best team in last year world cup.. after france of course..
and both times you lost because of bad luck and because your opponents excuted well…
so the only thing you have to do is left your heads up and start working again until something happen and it will happen i assure you..
when we lost against france in 1998 we believe we had the better team but we ended up losing 3-0 but we bounced back and won 2002 world cup… this is football. one day for you and the other against you..
i know in your case it has been 13 years against you but believe me it will end when it end…

BUT, there’s one advice i can give for you in your wait time for the rain.. plz pay attention to your brazilian friend and i swear i am sayin the truth and i am not trying to put anyone down and not trying to steal your pride or anything i am just trying to help… and the thing i would suggest that you do is try to cut down on your expectations. and not to over rate your team.. for example, mexico when they lose they dont hurt as much cuz they dont think too much of themselves.. in your case, you keep thinking too much of yourselves that when you lose you hurt.. and luck isn’t helping you also.. you guys had a very good player called DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA… in his days you were one of the best countries but these are just not your days to keep acting like you are that big…
so advice no 1
KEEP THE COOL, and i promise you that you will win something soon, just dont put pressure on your NT and you will win something, and once you win that championship you can go out and celebrate being the top of the world…
advice no 2
even after you win something
STILL
KEEP THE COOL
so you don’t get carried away again like this time, when maradona put you top of the world you got carried away for 20 years.. plz when your next big accomplishment comes dont get carried away again…
so people stop saying to you DONT CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA…
thanks everyone
i feel you all

Ali.

Basement doors have flooded open! Trolls have been released to the general populace.

There should be stupid police.

Posted from  United States

I see that poor sportsmanship and manners not only applies to the Argentine NT but to their supporters as well.

Let me quickly address the fallacy of “The beautiful game” that only Argentina plays. I know most of you are just joking but allow me a quick retort. Did anyone watch the U-20 game against Mexico? After being up by one goal Argentina had 37 men back defending! AH Yes the beautiful game.

Once again to become a member of the EXCLSUIVE THREE (BRAZIL, GERMANY and ITALY) requires Gold Stars and consistent performances. The jerseys of the exclusive three invoke fear, respect and admiration.

Cleary Argentina while a good footballing country is not in this category.

John..are you another ali too..?
what a joke u are
haha
please don’t post another stupid joke
thanks

Posted from  Malaysia

Nowadays GOD should be hating football and prevents the Albiceleste from winning. What explanation one can give. Definitely, this exhibition of beauty deserved much more. We will keep hoping..

For anybody who tend to say football is just an unaesthetic affair that is all about winning, I offer my pity.

Posted from  India