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Well hello again everyone!!! I hope you are all doing fine, I know I am! We have a huge game coming up! It´s the biggest matchup of the Americas. I don´t want Argentina to get too cocky. Maradona can do this sometimes… It can be really good or it can be really bad!

You guys have already started prediction, analyzing, and debating! and that´s great! As usual keep it up. We all love it! That is what makes this blog really great! We´re going to have to meet one day after all this! Maybe if Argentina wins the World Cup next year? (I know you´re all probably saying, let´s make it there first! haha!)

So enjoy.. I´ll be going out to a bar here in Buenos Aires to watch the game! can´t wait! I´ll try to keep you guys posted with the Argentine scoop!


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  • Debasish

    BINGO!

  • toddutah

    I am in shock but i will still believe that this team can beat Brasil. We have enough in the starting 11 to win. The problem is the back up players should be on like the 4 or 5 string team. My only hope is that Maradona is trying to call up 11 good guys and wants the other 10 to be cheering very loud on the sidelines. In that case just hire some cheerleaders. It is almost like the guys that play in Europe are not full blooded Argentine or something . I just dont get it. I fhave no doubt that if Veron were still at say Lazio or Parma he would not be called up. What gives? Does anyone have an explanation for this?

  • Debasish

    If guys playing in Europe are not Argentine enough in mind, why does he boast of playing in Europe when trying to lam bast Pele?

    On the Aimar topic – I think I have never seen anyone saying there is doubt on his abilities or skills. No matter how much I love him, I have to admit his career does not really reflect his potential. The subject is beaten to death. I just would say – I WOULD PREFER HIM OVER VERON ANY DAY!!!

    I with Todd, still hope we can win. As long as we don’t need a sub.

    BTW, isn’t Veron injured too?

    Also, when is Ortega and Caniggia getting called?

  • AURELIUS

    Yes Todd. Maradona is an idiot who couldn’t suceed in coaching with two second tier sides in Argentina , yet is handed one of the best depth squads we are blessed with in history to coach.

    Makes sense does it not ?

    Ortega will probably be called up for the Peru game after his delicious chipped lob finish over the weekend.

    I heard numpto will be calling up Jose Brown as well to provide defensive cover as well. ;)

  • Debasish

    LOL! Brown was playing 5-side football after retirement. He could certainly fit into the system.

  • audie uk 2009

    zanetti–dem–diaz–henzie–

    maxi–gago–mascorano–leto-

    ———-messi———
    ————–agureo————maybe milito———-

  • argieee

    brazil 3 – arg 1

  • noori

    Ortega scored the winner for River. Now he must be thinking that if Palermo and veron get call then why not me…hahaha………..
    with Diego as coach every one has is chance…..

  • Debasish

    All,
    Was just looking at this from 2006, some old foes :) in there and our discussion about our mid field

    http://argentina.worldcupblog.org/1/the-middle-of-the-field.html

    Just a little nostalgic :)

  • Seth

    PLZ WIN ARGENTINA!!!!!

  • Debasish
  • audie leicester uk

    zanetti–dem–diaz–henzie–
    —gago–mascorano–lucho–
    messi—-agureo——l.lopez—-

    could be a great 433

  • ToddUtah

    Here is Maradonas call up for the next and final round of qualifiers:

    1, Carlos Roa; 2, Roberto Ayala; 3, Jose Chamot; 4, Hector Mauricio Pineda; 5, Matias Almeyda; 6, Roberto Sensini; 7, Claudio Lopez; 8, Diego Simeone; 9, Gabriel Batistuta; 10, Ariel Ortega; 11, Juan Veron; 12, German Burgos; 13, Pablo Paz; 14, Nelson Vivas; 15, Leonardo Astrada; 16, Sergio Berti; 17, Pablo Cavallero; 18, Abel Balbo; 19, Hernan Crespo; 20, Marcelo Gallardo; 21, Marcelo Delgado; 22, Javier Zanetti

    In case you did not recognize it that is the 1998 world cup squad.

  • Golazo

    there is probably a kid in madrid confused out of his mind right now.

  • Debasish

    ToddUtah LOL! First I really thought you worked hard!

  • procrastinator

    well, I’d bet that Batistuta at present is still better than Palermo.

  • AURELIUS

    Where the heck is Redondo Todd ? ;)

    Ah, someone left him out. A certain Mr.Passarella. A crying shame.

    That’s a worrying article Debasish. If miracle of miracles events can conspire to remove numpto, Palermo can dream.

    He wa snot good enough in 2002 or 206 and he certainly is not good enough now. There’s a reason son, just look at your record at Villareal and Betis. It was not Forlanesque was it ?

    It’s because you are not good enough. Crumbs. A 37 year old has been in the World Cup ? Someone save us all from the madman.

    Saludos. ;)

  • john

    Despite Maradonna’s eccentricities I think we will give Brazil the what for (also known as the who’s your daddy) in the upcoming game.

    Sometimes I get a bit bored and irritated with all the negativity which I partially blame for our early departure in 2006 against the Germans. That plus Ayala and Cambiasso.

    So let’s keep it positive people. :) ……red dot positive thought good pot thanks a lot

    regards

  • ken

    Riquelme,
    score Argentina o Brazil 5
    If you retired your world class midfielder and
    play old farts, this how B will punish you.

  • Argentuban

    Brazil 4 Argentina 1 (only goal after Maradona actually brings a 9 too late into the game). Brazil’s midfield will completely demolish ours, nevermind what the forwards will do to the laughable defense.

    Palermo? Over Higuain? That is disgraceful, and shows the coke rotted his brain. Or, and seeming more and more likely, he wants Argentina to fail to keep his legacy as a player intact and put the onus on Messi.

    Has anyone looked at the efficiency ratings in Spain. No one was more efficient in terms of minutes versus goals/assists than Higuain. No one. But hey, Palermo, the ultimate choke artist who is well past his prime, he’s Coca-dona’s buddy and plays for Boca, so call him up.

  • ToddUtah

    I dont mean to rain on the negativity parade and dont get me wrong the best 22 guys should be the ones that he calls up but this starting line up can beat Brasil.

    Zanetti—— Pareja- Heinze—Papa

    Maxi Rodríguez—- Mascherano—— Dátolo

    ——————-Messi——————-

    Lopez————————Agüero

  • procrastinator

    I wouldn’t blame Maradona or the cocaine, personally. looking at this as an outsider and longterm fan of Argentine football and the country in general (though from the outside, how much can I really know of it?), I’d say it’s the hysterical levels of adulation and worship that Maradona received.

    nothing worse than the masses going gaga over someone big time, turning them into some sort of communal religious experience. I doubt any Brazilian would dare countenance the idea of Pele being the national coach, nor would they say he was “a God” … they even have the good humour to poke fun at him and ridicule his stupidity and ego.

    don’t think I ever saw or heard anyone do that with regards to Maradona… without that critical aspect, the ‘child’ is spoilt and ends up … like Maradona. imo, mass worship is worse than cocaine.

  • Amit Singh

    The last time palermo played for NT was in 1999 copa america and he missed 3 penalties in the same game aginast columbia, argentina lost that match 3-0
    it’s kind of amusing.

  • Mr B

    Pechera naranja (4-4-2): Sebastián Romero; Javier Zanetti, Sebastián Domínguez, Rolando Schiavi, Emiliano Papa; Maxi Rodríguez, Fernando Gago, Rodrigo Braña, Eduardo Salvio; Lionel Messi (dos goles) y Martín Palermo.

    Equipo azul (4-3-3): Juan Pablo Carrizo; Fabricio Coloccini, Nicolás Pareja, Nicolás Otamendi, Nicolás Burdisso; Sebastián Verón, Mario Bolatti, Javier Mascherano; Lisandro López, Carlos Tevez y Sergio Agüero (un gol).

    What do we take from these line-ups from todays practice? Laughable I say…Maradona is still coked out!!!

  • mac

    maradona is behaving like an extremely dumb kid who has been handed (a very good) collection of lego blocks and told to build something. now instead stopping and thinking about it he picks up the blocks laying closest to him. tries them on and then throws them away.
    one of the two things can happen; he will by chance, stumble upon something half good.
    or
    the lego blocks will be taken away.
    I’m keeping my fingers crossed for the latter.

  • Argentuban

    Todd,

    I agree. Your lineup could win and makes sense. So it’s sadly unlikely.

  • Jose

    ToddUtah, know any good place in Salt Lake City to watch the match?

  • josi

    Although I am a diehard Brazilian fan. I would not mind if they lose this one for the simple fact that Brazil only needs one match to be certain of qualifying while argentina is struggling and I am not sure if they can beat Paraguay away in Asuncion. Argentina should win as they are playing at home but I think they have to wary of the counter attacks. This Brazilian team is strong because they are united unlike the prima donnas under pareira. Dunga don’t stand for that Ronaldinho has learnt that the hard way. I want Argentina to be in the WC though.

  • fab

    i heard maradona was gonna call up tom cruise ….cause he likes his movies

    ———–tom cruise——————–

    —zenneti—-brown———–abraham lincoln

    —————–messi———————–

    —–micheal jordan—————-a box of crackers——-

    —————————batman—————————-

  • maradona

    fab,
    You forgot Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. Fidel will flop of course. Maybe Che can use his machine guns to threaten the Brazilians so they lose the game for Argentina.

  • ken

    We need to regroup for 2014. A foreign coach like Mourinho would
    help us tremendously.

  • Native Son

    I am an Argentinean fan. My younger brother is a Brazilian fan. Should we bet?

  • Riquelme

    Ken,
    The problem with league coaches is they get plenty of matches with fixed set of players to trial and error over and over again. You can afford to make a certain number of mistakes. But best team will eventually win.
    With something like World cup, there is no room for error. You need to make a gamble and believe it will work out. Worldcups are hardly won by the best teams. They are won by teams that want to win at any cost.

  • ArgentineFan

    Debasish and Sorin…

    You guys are talking about ordering the Brazil Argentina game on PPV.. I’ve been looking online forever.. does it work on Time Warner cable?? im willing to pay a lot to watch this game … give me some info please.. Thanks.

  • Addy

    You have no idea how offended i am by the team selection! i look at the team thats playing Brazil and Para and feel ashamed that it has come to the point where we are playing with a squad nowhere near HALF as strong as it should be! Im pleased with the 3 keeper selections, but the defenders called up, lets REALLY analyze, Burdisso – very error proned! Coloccini – VERY error proned (championship player) – Pareja – VERY inexperienced (first ever call up) – Otamendi – SORRY but not international class at all!! Papa – the very same can be said for him!! Sebastien Dominguez – is this for real!!! Rolando Schiavi – I FEEL LIKE JUMPING OFF A CLIFF!!! THIS GUYS 36 AND NEVER BEEN CAPPED!!! think of any of them as a central defensive pairing and you would feel like someones winding you up! No Demicheles? Samuel? EVEN Garay & Gonzalo of villareal would be massive defensive rocks! NOW THE MIDFIELD – oh God!! Let me just tell you the names, Bolatti of Huracan, Battaglia who is way too cynical for my liking, BRANA! a 30 year old who has never been capped! Gago, Mascherano (NOW THAT IS 5 DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDERS, WHO IS GOING TO CREATE?!) Then theres Maxi, Datolo who has only been capped once, and Veron, there is NAFF all creativity, i find that shocking, again he is overlooking the likes of Lucho, Di Maria, I know he has an issue with Roman & Cambiasso, so i wont argue that point, i’d even love to see Buonanotte, but the Maradona is just too political, it just wont happen! The forwards are relatively the same, Messi, Tevez, Aguero, Lavezzi, Lisandro & then wait for it… PALERMO! if he really wants to boost someones life with a call up, make it someone who will thrive to improve LIKE HIGUAIN! what can Palermo offer that we dont already have in abundance in attack? i just feel so worried, sick as well as worry that the lack of sheer class in defending & the midfield front! I AM SO WORRIED! PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME THE SQUAD IS JUST A PRANK????

  • Rune

    Just one thing guys. I read something very interessting on the mundoalbicelste web site, where I am a regular. Seba, one of the moderators, said this:
    “One thing I’d like to point out is that once a deadline is passed (I believe it is 15 or 10 days before the FIFA dates), the national team managers cannot call up more players from European clubs”

    Ok, so if this is true it’s a whole new situation. I still think it’s incredibly weird by Diego to call Burdisso, Coloccini and, to be honest, even Pareja when we have Samuel, Gonzalo and Garay. I would also take an injury prone(or unlucky) Aimar over Veron any day. BUT if what Seba says about the european release dates is true, I can of course easily see why Diego has called the local players that he has now. So I will calm down on this subject now :-)
    When it comes to the strikers, I am not as angry as many are. Licha and Milito are really good at the moment. And I do NOT think Higuain is better then any of them as a #9. And Zarate is a pure second striker, and we kinda have enough in that position with Messi, Aguero, Tevez and Lavezzi. He could maybe compete with Lavezzi for a place in this squad, but remember that Zarate(and even Higuain) hasn’t shown anything on the highest level against the toughest oponents(in the CL) yet. That’s why I belive it is right to include Aguero and Tevez in every squad, they have proven themself on the highest level.

  • Rune

    Debasish:
    That’s so cool to read. Also hilarious to see that I was really being myself back in those days aswell. Really negative and pessimistic, as always.
    Haha, this made me laugh :-) But, I am a bit more positive these days after the Barca win last season. A bit more….

  • Vick

    excuse me while i rant….

    Arghhh!!! I feel like jumping into my toilet comode and flushing myself down the shitpot because of all the agony and frustration!!!

    Someone please wake me up from this nightmare that we’re in thanks to El-Cokehead. There’s absolutely no denying his greatness on the pitch in his playing days. I still go to great lengths in arguing with brainless fools who still think Pele was better (yeah right, the love child born out of Fifa and brazil). But the tactical acumen (or the incredible lack of it), the team selection which El-cokehead has been displaying has me befuddled and got me wondering if he thinks he’s playing EA sports Fifa 09 or some shit. I feel like ripping my hair follicles off one by one.

    I know i’m going to torture myself and watch the game, in the dim hope that some other the players perform to their greatness INSPITE of the inept excuse of a manager that they have. I can’t stand the thought of kaka and the other brazilian players running circles around coloccini, otamandi and the likes, and make me puke my intestines out.

    Deeeeeep breath. Sorry for the rant.

  • Vick

    Great! As if that was not enough, el-cokehead and his old foe Pele have gotten into their “annual-finger-me-i’ll-finger-you-back” public romp. Concentrate on the GAME goddamnit!!!

  • ken

    Riquelme,
    I believe you are partially right. If you play stock market put some money
    on ticker SPPI. Tuesday FDA will decide…
    Vick,
    I feel the same way like you.Argentina always have produced the best of talents but have struggled at national level, but not at youth level though.It all comes to not fielding their best players. Year after year PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT has ruined the Argentina national team. This time it is Maradona’s turn. In retrospective, Pekermann was a genious with one fatal mistake at wc 2006.

  • Debasish

    ArgentineFan
    If you want to watch the game online go to jump tv. They are showing the game. Should be pretty cheap to. Around $15. I am at work, so Jump TV is blocked. But if you go there, you can buy it.

    Also, For TV, I think Times Warner recently started showing Gol TV. Check http://www.goltv.tv. If you have that then you can get PPV. Hope that helps.

    Hope it helps.

  • Debasish

    Ken
    It was fun indeed looking back in 2006 :) The team was much better. I still wanted Messi and Lucho. BTW, that was interesting about the call ups. I did not know that. All sorts of rules. Is that only for non-european nations. What would Spain do? Or England? They have to call someone who does not play in European league. anyway, that’s an interesting piece of information. thanks!

    Todd,
    I think I agree with you that the first 11 has a chance. A low one albeit a realistic one. But my worry is, what if we need a sub? Or are you sure Maradona is going to play that 11 of yours? I hope so.

  • Debasish

    OK ALL! THIS IS THE LATEST! I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF MARADONA CALLS HIMSELF!!!

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/09/01/sports/sports-uk-soccer-latam-maradona.html

  • fab

    “We’ve lost the best hope we had of stopping Maicon, which was Jonas,” said Maradona. “In addition to marking, he can attack from behind, which is what worries him. We don’t know which alternative to try”

    well i hope dunga was not watching that news conference…..

  • Watch_10

    He is on a very simple mission to prove to every one that he knows the best and there is no one in present crop of players who can win.
    So he is the best what has ever come out of Argentina while all others
    are either not as good as him or not good at all.

  • Watch_10

    If he worrying all the time to how to defend then he is scared to death.
    Even brazil has its weakpoints in defensive midfield and left flanks of the field.
    Maradona just need to utilize the opponents weakness , instead of exposing already well documented weakness in left flanks.
    The Brazil GK wont be expecting a long range shots early in the game since this is what we do not do since the days of Basile.
    Once Brazil has the ball they will give away the ball in positions where argentina would go for a full blown attack (e.g. Mache/Zanetti winning the ball) and Brazil wins the ball tactically and a swift counter attack down our left flanks. Brazil is not afraid to give away the ball possession since this is part of the game plan to let the opponent get into all attacking positions.

    More I study the game styles of Brazil and the options they have more I am getting sure that Riquelme /Aimar even Ibagaza is what we need, to use the brains.(Along with a Crespo kind of finisher)

    The Very game of Copa07 will be repeated, this time we should not make the same mistakes.

  • AURELIUS

    Fab, maradona and vick you certainly made me chuckle with those comments.

    All we can rely on is that Kun or Leo pull out a moment of magic and that the defence perform heroics .

    Who knows. Its a derby where passion and commitment can partially compensate for technical deficiencies and tactics.

    But would you go into battle for the sake of analogy with raw recruits and militia against crack elite troops ?

    The shame and the frustration stems from the fact that its obvious he has no idea on tactics, and does not learn from games past (I wonder if even bothers with video analysis and the like) and that there are vastly better players out there to put into the team.

    I’ll be cheering like mad on Satuday but with eyes behind my fingers, not in confidence but with a huge amount of trepidation.

    Thanks for your nice words Josi, but I could not stand the idea of Kaka and co smirking at the Arroyito.

    Saludos. :)

  • ToddUtah

    Jose the only place I know that shows a lot of Pay per view games is called fiddlers elbow on 2100 south in SLC.

  • Rahman

    Latest news guys, don’t be surprised…. Coz I am expecting that Maradona is going to call me (May be I am not a Argentinian, but u know I am an Argentine fan). The real problem is, Moradona don’t know me yet. Can somebody give me his phone number or just tell him my name. Vamos Maradona!!!!

  • AURELIUS

    That’s funny Rahman. :) I wa hoping he’d call me up(I e-mailed the AFA to that effect)as I’d give anything to wear the shirt.

    What do you think Diego’s pre-match choice of music will be ? I think Santa Esmerelda’s – Please Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood might be apt. ;)

  • ken

    Debasich,

    Argentina has a third world mentality. England wants to win
    wc so badly that it has appointed a foreign coach twice to win it.
    Spain would probably win it because they have two world class midfielders in Xavi and Iniesta. Riquelme, with all his flaws, along with AIMAR can do the job in supporting Messi. But Maradona has decided against fielding them BOTH. I am sure Spain will win wc2010; they have an abundance of players all of them will be fielded if not at least warming the bench. In the final analysis, Messi will be the biggest victim as he truly epitomizes the very best right now. Unfortunately, no one can succeed alone at this level specially in the face of Brazil as an opponent. Also Maradona is puting way too MUCH pressure on Messi’s shoulder. Saturday, we shall all see how Messi may crack under pressure.

  • Amit Singh

    ArgentineFan
    If you have dish network , there you can buy this game for $34.95
    http://www.dishnetwork.com/packages/ppv/sports/soccer/default.aspx

  • ToddUtah

    Ken while I do not agree with all the players that Maradona has called it is not fair to say it is Messi against Brasil. Most countries in the world would start Aguero, Tevez, Mascherano. and Maxi. Veron and Heinze have played in the top leagues in the world. That gives you seven starters that most countries would be proud to have on their squad. The reason we are all mad is that we know there are another ten guys out there that could make this team one of the deepest and strongest in Argentinas history.

    Ok everyone we are perfectly in our rights to complain about what maradona is doing but let us not lose all of our faith in the players that will be playing and representing Argentina on Saturday. I predict that despite all of the mistakes that Maradona is making that we will win this game 2 to 0 with a goal by Messi and Aguero. I would also coach Messi to move over to the left side everytime Maicon makes an attacking run. Lets see how much Brasil will push up Maicon if he is chasing Messi back down the field. Also I heard Maradona say that he might move Maxi over to the left to stay a little with Maicon that means he has to decide who to start on the right. This could mean that Zanetti starts at right half rather than right defender.

    Burdisso—— Pareja- Heinze—Papa

    Zanetti—- Mascherano—— Maxi

    ——————-Veron——————-

    Messi————————Agüero

    My three subs would be Lopez, Tevez Gago for the second half .

    Burdisso—— Pareja- Heinze—Papa

    ——Gago—-—- Mascherano——

    —-——————-Messi——————-Maxi

    Tevez————————————–Lopez

  • Vick

    Thanks for the link Debashish!

    35 year old Palermo?? 36 year old Schiavi??! Perhaps El-cokehead thinks it’s the qualification for the “World cup for the retire-already?!”

    And our man wishes he was 20 years younger. Great! Oh while he’s at it, why not state his other wishes? Like how he wants to hump all the chicks (and dudes) in Seville? Or how he wants to smoke up all of columbia.

    Guys like Higuain, Riquelme will be wondering just what it is that they have to do to get selected just short of gargling on maradona’s nuts.

  • ken

    ToddUtah,
    I reiterate that Maradona is puting too much PRESSURE on Messi. Apart from that I totally agree with you. I HOPE we win. BUT BRASIL NEVER forgives Argentina for a single mistakes. You remember in copa2008 how Kaka stole that ball from Messi and disappears.. This is what I fear specially having Heinze at the back and with Zanetti past his primes. I think we are screwed man..

  • ToddUtah

    There, only 16 feet (five meters) separates the field from the stands.

    “We know that the supporters are closer to the pitch in Rosario, and that alone creates a more pressurized atmosphere,” Brazil defender Juan told FIFA’s Web site.

    Another challenge: Maradona demanded the pitch be cut short before Saturday’s match, which should speed up play and allow the likes of Argentina’s Lionel Messi to quickly attack Brazil’s bigger defenders.

    Brazil midfielder Lucas said he asked his Liverpool teammate and Argentina midfielder Javier Mascherano about the field.

    “I spoke with Mascherano to learn what the grass is like at Rosario,” Lucas said. “I know that it’s a tight field, but we have the experience to deal with it.”

    I have to admit that as much as I complained about the pitch and crowd at the River stadium I think that this is a good move for argentina. Messi on a quick fast field? I love it!!!!!

  • ken

    Vick,

    keep on writing buddy. You lift us all with your humour.

  • Rune

    Debasish:
    Looks like you thougt I was Ken there for a moment, Buddy……

    Ken:
    There was no Copa America in 2008! The game you are refering to was a friendly played at the Emirates stadium in London in 2006.

  • ken

    Rune,
    sorry for the typo. You know which one I am talking about. thanks

  • MaxiLopez

    KEN is right. Everything is on Messi’s shoulders because of Bilardo’s stupid 4-4-2. I don’t know if you guys realize but Messi has been used as a #9 in last game.

    The few world class players that Maradona has called are been asked to defend only (ex:Maxi). We are in another dimension. It’s totally unbelievable. We have Messi, Riquelme, Aimar, Saviola, Palacio, Tevez, Aguero, Lucho, Di Maria, Maxi, D’Alessandro, Banega, Zarate, etc. All these players have an incredible potential in terms of creativity. They have the technical skills to keep the ball during 90 minutes and destroy any opponent.

    Instead of using the most creative and clever players of the world, Bilardo and Maradona are using Messi like Maradona in 86. They consider Messi as the messiah. The kid is only 20 years old and will have the handle an amazing pressure because he’ll be asked to make Argentina win, on his own.

  • noori

    Any free channel which will show the match in South Asia region? and the time GMT.

  • Debasish

    Rune, he he, off course I meant you!

  • ToddUtah

    Maxi I do understand your point. I would hope that as the game goes on Maradona will pull Veron and slide Messi back so he can have Ageuro and Lopez in front of him. At that point I dont think that he has to do it alone. now idf we are just going to defend and lob the ball up to messi and hope that he scores this is a different story.

  • ToddUtah
  • ken

    Corsican man,
    how are you doing?

  • Rune

    Even if Diego is doing all kinds of stupid mistakes when it comes to selecting the players and the game tactics and so on, I will always support our NT 100% when kick off time comes. In a derby match like this I really do not care at all how we play, I just wanna win. It’s a fight, not a nice game of football. And this fight I desperately wanna win, no matter how it’s done. If we win it will not make Diego a genious and in the long run it will maybe not benefit us cause we would have to keep Diego. But I will always be 100% behind the team AND the coach when a game starts.

  • skywalker

    just heard the lineup on TV, not sure if it’s correct but they were talking about Dominguez as one of the starting defenders. Is he the Velez guy? Don’t know him too well, you guys have a scouting report on him?

    And no surprise, Tevez and Messi are upfront. I love Tevez, a big big fan of his, but even I don’t know how to justify this. But I guess to lead the line and play as a “#9″, Tevez vs Aguero, I would actually take Tevez [but not in the hole]. He’s stronger, can muscle his way better than Aguero would get be lost vs the Trees that Brazil like to call defenders.

    and wow, just had to scroll up and read this blog to find out the 35+ brigade that Maradona called up. Incredible it is. Palermo? WOW. the mere mention of his name scares me into never taking another PK for my local league.

  • mfgt2

    In training today this is the line up maradona used:

    ANDUJAR

    ZANETTI – Sebastián DOMINGUEZ – OTAMENDI – HEINZE

    Maxi – MASCHERANO – VERON – DATOLO

    MESSI and TEVEZ

  • Rune

    And in a training match yesterday the line up above beat local side Tristán Suárez 7-0. The goals were scored by Messi(5), Tevez and Datolo.

    Heinze is of course, in this stage of his career, better as a centre back than as a left back. But maybe Diego sees Papa as too weak defensively for such a big game. But Papa can go forward, Heinze is pure rubbish when he tries to attack down the flank. That’s why I wanna see Papa as our left back in this game.

  • ArgeFan

    Hey Guys ,,

    I’m in Canada , what channel/cable have the game on ? and what sites offer free streaming

    Thanks

  • day1star

    Firstly, can i just point out we lost both the emirates game to brazil in september 2006, and the copa america final 2007. Either way both games i would rather forget.
    I really hope that is not the line up agianst Brazil, Tevez and Messi up front is a mistake, we won’t score any goals because we are not playing bloody tristan suarez!
    i would rather we played a 4 3 2 1, and packed the midfield, coz that is where the battle is, but we’ll just have to wait and see.
    This is a game that everyone wants to win especially at home, so i expect the team to play something resembling good.

  • MaxiLopez

    RUNE,
    Of course, I want to see Papa too. Bilardo’s philosophy is to defend first. Heinze as our left back… gives me headaches. I remember the time when Diego destroyed Basile and told the press he would never use Heinze as a leftback. The guy is full of contradictions.

    So the radio announces a totally new central defence against Brazil? Oups, it has already been tested… at Velez of course. At that point, Papa should start. It could be Velez VS Brazil. Why didn’t Maradona call the whole Velez team? At least, the have true argentine blood. Not like Aguero or Tevez. Sorry, I’m wrong, they have the Maradona blood so it’s ok. And they are loyal too. Not like Samuel or Cambiasso, who are traitors. This Maradona is killing me. Lets go to suicide against Dunga, please, quickly.

    Remember when I announced you guys that Palermo and Schiavi were going to be called against New Zealand. I couldn’t believe it. In fact, it was wrong, they were going to be called against BRAZIL. The situation is completely unreal. Wake me up.

    Remember when we were all ready to murder Pekerman & his family because he called Scaloni instead of Zanetti at WC 2006? I miss that time.

  • MaxiLopez

    General basics to prepare a WC:

    1) Call always your best 25 players (during 4 years)
    2) Establish a perfect tactical defensive system (during 4 years)
    3) Bring connections & train movments without the ball (during 4 years)
    4) Win (during last 2 years)

    What have done AFA? Even a child can understand this…

  • MaxiLopez

    MAC,
    You have understood everything. Welcome to the blog.
    “Maradona is behaving like an extremely dumb kid who has been handed (a very good) collection of lego blocks and told to build something. now instead stopping and thinking about it he picks up the blocks laying closest to him. tries them on and then throws them away. One of the two things can happen; he will by chance, stumble upon something half good.
    Or the lego blocks will be taken away”.

  • Rune

    MaxiLopez:
    Yeah, Peker called Scaloni instead of Zanetti and Cufre instead of Samuel. But compared to what Diego is doing, Peker was and is a genious even when it comes to calling the right players. But just remember that maybe the reason why Diego called Palermo and Schiavi as back up’s just days before the game now, is that there is a rule that says that a NT coach has to call players from eurpopean legues 10-15 days before an official FIFA date. At least that’s what I have heard. Saba from mundoalbicelste said to me yesterday that this was something he had heard commentators on both radio and TV in Argentina talk about many times before. So I guess there is some truth in it.
    But like I’ve said, that does not mean we should forgive Diego for calling Coloccini, Burdisso, Pareja, Veron and Otamendi in stead of players like Gonazalo, Samuel, Garay and Aimar, in the first place.

  • skywalker

    Maxi: “Remember when we were all ready to murder Pekerman & his family because he called Scaloni instead of Zanetti at WC 2006? I miss that time.”

    HAHAAA oh man.. I don’t know whether to laugh, cry or grab a bottle and smash myself over the head with it after reading that statement. Oh Maradona.. for this generation of Argentines growing up, he might be remembered far more as the Coach who made us miss the WC than the brilliant player he once was. I truly don’t know what to expect in two days time

  • Watch_10

    I will be watching the match 3:30 am as always with Argentine south american venue matches , but this time the excitement is replaced by uncertainity and a mix of coldness of pessimism.
    I /We will still be with this team since this is the only thing I have known since wathcing football, a win will give some happiness but
    Diego has taken away all the excitement of the days/hours before the match.

  • Vick

    Wow….

    Yeah I remember the Pekerman days. I still remember being pissed (not just normal pissed – i mean rabid-frothing-detergent-in-the- mouth dog pissed) at his selections, and substitutions against Germany in the WC 06 game. I’d do anything to have that back , since with El Cokehead we’re not even sure if we’d even qualify for the WC!!! arrrrrgh!

    I suppose this is what I might see, Kaka lets one loose and the ball hits the post, rebounds off it and falls to Messi who’s hovering around our 6 yard box, he dribbles past 2 brazilian strikers, lobs the ball forward, runs like a wild hare on a super fast Rosario pitch to the shock of the awe-struck brazilian players and dung-A (and in the event clocking faster than bolt ) , collects the ball near the brazilian penalty box, dribbles 3 defenders, and the goalie, and scores. That’s how much he’s expected to do.

    I have nightmares of Kaka, Adriano, Malo, and Maicon laughing like the evil joker and making a mockery out of our defense , making me wake up, screaming and crying with sweat beads on my forehead, till I crawl back into a fetal position and try to sleep.

    Don’t get me wrong ,I love albiceleste from the bottom of my heart, but the breakdown in strategy, vision, personnel and development in the last 3 years (post 2006) has me thissss close to insanity (if you guys feel i am not there already).

  • MaxiLopez

    RUNE,
    I don’t care about FIFA rules or stuff like that. All I see is that Schiavi & Palermo are in the team while Samuel & Higuain are at home amazed. Maradona never calls the right players in the first or in the second place. It’s a disaster. For everything. It’s so unreal. Do you realize that we are supposed to start against BRAZIL with a Velez central defence? No Samuel, no Gonzalo. All this mess happens only because De Michelis is injured! We need 2 months to have a “plan B”! What will happen if Mascherano or Messi get injured then? And in 2 months, Maradona will maybe call a lost Garay instead of young Otamendi only because he’s at Real now whereas Higuain will be ignored. I mean, we’re at 360 degrees all the time, without any logic! What is going on is totally unreal, I can’t stop repeating it. Maradona is insane. Bilardo and Grondona even more.

    Concerning the game. I don’t know. This is not a big Brazil. Kaka is only efficient on counter attacks. For me, their only world class players are Maicon & Robinho. The rest is pretty average. I don’t know how I feel. If we win, Maradona will maybe keep calling Schiavi & Palermo for their loyalty. If we lose, we’ll maybe have Caniggia & Schelotto for next qualifying games.

    Brazil are coming for a 0-0 and they will probably have what they want. But one thing is sure, if we defend with only 7 players in a 4-3-1-2, we’ll lose.

  • Watch_10

    Maradona will NOT field a 4-3-1-2 , he will field a 4-4-2.
    Messi is not habitual to play in 4-3-1-2 or 4-4-2 , in Barca in paper they put 4-3-3 but they play 3-4-4 in attack while 3-5-2 when loosing possession and a 5-3-2 on defending, they play a complete different system.
    Fact is all other teams play A SYSTEM we presently play street football without ANY SYSTEM. In street football it still works since its for fun you score 10 I score 11 mentality, which wont work in professional level.

    It is matter of time that some more of our good professional players will quit NT due to differences with Maradona.

  • Alexa

    I look at this line up, and the first thing I think is — There is no way in hell Arg is going to beat Brazil on Saturday.

    ANDUJAR

    ZANETTI – Sebastián DOMINGUEZ – OTAMENDI – HEINZE

    Maxi – MASCHERANO – VERON – DATOLO

    MESSI and TEVEZ

  • ken

    FROM LADY ALEXA:” There is no way in hell Arg is going to BEAT
    Brazil on Saturday”

    This is a realistic post just like that of Maxi, Vick, Watch-10, Skywalker etc.

    The paraguay game is next right?

  • Argentuban

    You have got to be shitting me. That’s the lineup?

    We’re going to get slaughtered. FRIGGIN’ SLAUGHTERED!

    This loss will make the Bolvia and Colombia losses look tame.

    And if Maradona hadn’t gone with injured players to begin with (they knew a couple were injured when called, especially Gago), he could have called some good ones. The last minute call-up is no excuse. Especially since there are way better forwards and defenders in Argentina than what he has called up.

  • Watch_10

    Where is this playing 11 published , usually his interviews are never giving any correct information ( neither he does anything correct)

  • Rune

    Alexa:
    I kinda have the same feeling, but in a derby match like this everything can happen.

    MaxiLopez:
    You are spot on! The worst problem is that we are not building a team for the WC. Garay and Samuel will get called when everyone else have failed. That means they will not have time to make the position theirs. That goes for other players to. Everything depends on Lio, EVERYTHING. That is a burden to big to carry for a 22 yesr old kid.

    The way I see it, we need 6 more points to qualify for the WC. We HAVE to beat either Brazil or Paraguay. We will beat Peru, of course. But away to Uruguay in the last game….forget it, we will not win that one.

  • Argentuban

    What’s ahppened to Scaloni, anyways?

  • ken

    Even Mr. Rune concurs after Maxilopez has convinced him that M is setting the NUMBER ONE player for failure! What a shame? This is utter calculation to eventually make Ag.. the number one.

    But this will not happen. He is good but no one can beat Lionel at THIS time.

    Barca under Pep has even designed a specifically tailored program just for him so that he suffers less injury and it is working.

    The GOD of football is with Messi and in the end he will prevail BECAUSE of Barca, Pep, Inesta, Xavi and not because of his own countrymen. What a shame?

    It makes me puke with disdain to ARGENTINA for being such a passive nation.

    Can’t they learn from the fans of Ribery when the national coach would not field him? Argentina, please become an activist nation as it is not everyday you can produce a MESSI. Become an activist nation so that ONLY your BEST players are fielded to support your God given genious of football.. If you remain PASSIVE, Brazil will kill you over and over…

  • Debasish

    Argentuban,
    Scaloni these days plays for Lazio. I continue to be the one following even the crappy players from Argentina :)

  • day1star

    Pessimism and negativity is rife, personally i’ll wait and see, i doubt that is the line up he will field.

  • AURELIUS

    Vick you do make me smile with your comments. :)

    The situation is a complete pig’s ear and if we do win ,though of course God will himself claim the credit it will be down to a mix of luck and brilliance from the better players we have.

    I am sure they will fight as it is the old enemy but passion and pride are all well and good but they rarely end up in sucess. Planning and preperation and selecting the right tools are the real keys.

    I completely disagree with you Ken regarding these comments of passivity and inaction.

    Take the Pumas. Manuel Loffreda over a period of eight years from the 2003 World Cup created a world class team lacking the resources of the old boys from New Zealand etc which whilst fiercely proud, relied on intensive preperation, analysis and all the other forms of preperation seen in modern sport and a nice helpinghand from all the experience gained by players playing in the Top 14 in France and Premiership in England.

    There’s been no inaction from the rugby fraternity in overturning an out of date system , removing the ‘corrupted’ officials and organizing the game along modern lines in Argentina itself, as I mentioned the creation of new high performance centres, decent wages for the club amateur players, insurance for injuries and funding of the ever growing number of juniors taking up rugby union.

    It can also happen with the AFA but the powers that be are too deeply entrenched, a there is still a degree of paralysis regarding Maradona who is seen either as a saint or sinner.

    Unless there is a major catastrophe nothing will change as the clubs and players have precious little power in comparison to the bodies in the AFA. Unless they all band together they cannot reform the situation and with their financial state again being bailed out by the AFA they are unlikely to call for drastic changes in the FA’s organization, which have happenend across the globe even here where clubs have far power than they did prior to 2000, with a lot of the oldwood being forcibly removed through pressure from the EPL clubs.

    Argentina for its population size has no problem in team sports or individual sports that appeal ie tennis and golf.

    There are no shortage of decent qualified tactically adept Argentine coaches. Bielsa has done a decent job with a less talented Chilean squad and Alexa remembers who Guillermo Bauza is.

    The choice of Maradona was a deliberate connivance of Grondona to mute opposition because he still remains to an extent on a pedestal. How longhe remains on that pedestal should Argentina not make it to South Africa remains to be seen.

    Debasish there are some Argentines here playing in the lower tiers of the pyramid here. Speroni whose again having a very good season youmay have heard of but then you have some vry unusual stories such as Sergio Torres.

    Starting out at Banfield he ended up on what is the equivlent of division 9 at Molesey Town but five years later excelling at a nearby local club of mine Wycombe Wanderers in division three (if you take for instance Arsenal / Stoke etc are division one) is now playing in division two.

    A talented attacking winger who made the top 80 of best players outside of the Premiership (though no way near NT contention in a hundred years) its certainly a very odd career path. ;)

    I wonder what is happening to Renato Civelli at present ? Could be an outside bet for CB but of course not at present with the genius we have in charge.

    Saludos amigos.

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    there is no way that is the lineup!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?
    please God be merciful.
    I thought he was playing three strikers with messi lurking as the third beind the two up front….
    Dominguez and Otamendi? he might as well start Collocinni.

    I ordered the game via Dish net for $35, I will be having an old school Argie/north african roast BBQ-roast throughout the day till I can break fast and then watch the game live 830. Im starting to think that I shoould not have invited so many people to watch as this could easily turn out to be a Brazilian bbq cook out.

  • MaxiLopez

    WATCH10,
    On Olé they say Maradona will play 4-3-1-2 with Veron enganche. In theory, they will defend 4-4-2 (but I doubt about Veron’s physcial abilities to do the job). We’ll see.

    AURELIUS,
    Renato Civelli was at Marseille last season and was once more, pretty ordinary. He wanted to stay but Deschamps didn’t seem to want to keep him. Civelli has been transfered to Racing, I think, and interested Lazio in july. He is back in Argentina tough, that is sure.

  • ken

    My very dear Englishman Aurelius,
    when M field senile players with no caps and the Argentinean nation
    simply watches in disbelief without any hint of rebuke, is that not pasivism on their part? They must demand actions FAST and NOW because LIONELMESSI will NOT peak FOREVER.
    Thanks for your response. I respectfully disagree realizing though that we both have ARGENTINA best interests at heart through different approach though…

    KEN

  • MaxiLopez

    Tevez will start as the #9. Lisandro deserved to play so much. Maradona seems convinced about the Messi/Tevez combo and he is the only one.

  • Watch_10

    Something that I was interested to know before …
    can some one tell me who are the assistants to ‘El Diego’, may be
    the rest of coaching staff is giving him lots of inputs that is half crap and he is taking all of it.
    I am sure Diego lacks confidence in his choices so someone else must be pulling the strings for the technical matters while Diego is just a man try to motivate the team , communicate to press and all other bullshit stuff.

    Just a thought …it will be good to know

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    Tevez should not start. I really believe the Lissandro deserves the start.

  • AURELIUS

    Thanks for the information Maxi. I thought Civelli was doing reasonably well last season according to reports on Ligue Une. :)

    Is Licha carryong an injury ? Otherwise on form alone he should be in and at least be able to harry Lucio and Juan ie defend from the front.

    I don not disagree on the lack of press action esp. after his lack of preperation (compare Venuzuelas with us against Bolivia) resulted in a humiliation.

    Any other manager would have been grilled on that defeat or sacked and the exclusion of players such as Higuain, Gonzalo remains an unanswered question at press conference for fear Diego may explode.

    Apparently its 60/40 amongst the fans in opposition to and in favour of Diego but no one will listen to them. There is just one man who can wield the axe but who controls his hand ? He after all appointed him at his own whim over those who wanted a figure like Bianchi for instance because of his own personal animosities.

    It will take a calamity to get any change.

    In other nations for certain with a great footballing tradition I don’t think for one minute they would have retained their manager (despite it being a touch kneejerk) or indeed the manager would have the grace to resign.

    Maradona doesn’t have any grace off the field sadly.

    Saludos.

  • skywalker

    was listening to the local stations in Argentina, Milito is not even on the bench for the match. Atleast neither are Palermo nor Colo.

    Save from seeing Palermo wear Argentina colours, this is getting more bizarre by the minute. It’s almost like we’re in a reality show “Give a nutcase a Ferrari and see how quickly he can destroy it” except with the Ferrari being the Argentina NT.

  • AURELIUS
  • AURELIUS

    Appaerntly he is also carrying an injury too Skywalker which makes it bizarre that when he arrived from Genoa if he was already carrying it , the medical staff did not pick it up with time to call a replacement.

    Of course he could have picked it up in training which is always a risk no matter how well conduced the sessions are.

    I’m surprised Diego has not appeared on The Twilight Zone, the horrible twist being he is actually appointed to coach the seleccion….. ;)

    Sardonism serves it purposes at times such as these. :)

  • Vick

    Is it humanly possible for a fan to pass out of shock a day before the game’s even played? Guys I’m standing upside down against the wall as I type this because I can’t stop hyperventilating thinking of the situation.

    Maradona’s got his head so far up his arse that is has actually come back out through his neck area, and that’s the face we’re seeing right now.

    By the way it seems to be progressing (huh, or regressing?) , I won’t be surprised if we find the retired women’s volleyball team lining up against brazil, and El-Cokehead will STILL defend his choice of players, smoke some weed, wage a cat-fight with Pele, proclaim that viagra indeed makes one 20 years younger, and storm the field during the half. All in a day’s work.

  • Vick

    Aurelius thank you for the kind words.

    To your point of the status of Higuain not being selected not being answered in press conference – you are absolutely correct that Maradona may explode- the reporters are probably scared that the dude might shoot at them again if they dare to question El-Cokehead’s decisions. Maradona’s like the Argentine version of a pissed off Chuck Norris –

    Maradona once smoked up a rubix cube and shit it out solved.
    MC hammer be damned – Maradona can touch this.
    Pele once kicked Maradona in the crotch, and ever since, Pele’s got a hole in his foot.

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    have you guys seen the pictures of the Brazilian squad practicing? they are having the time of their lives.
    I hate to say it, but we are going to get wiped out. Especially if we play this pathetic formation and lineup that Diego is planning. I am sure he is back to snorting coke, maybe smoking crack and his eccentric ways.
    I am taking bets… I need to makes some extra money.
    Brazil 4 Argentina 1

  • Argentuban

    Right now I will be happy with a boring heartless draw. Please.

  • procrastinator

    what happened to Pablo Piatti?
    didn’t he go to spain?

    what about the U21 talents, besides DiMaria, who were supposed to be coming up?

    maybe U21 World Cup is the best thing to watch, given how rubbish the professional team are.

  • Rune

    Reports from Argentina indicate that this is the bench against Brazil:
    Juan Pablo CARRIZO
    Nicolás BURDISSO
    Emiliano PAPA
    Fernando GAGO
    Eduardo SALVIO
    Sergio AGÜERO
    Lisandro LOPEZ

    The right choices in my opinion, if Milito is injured. Maybe Lavezzi should have been there, but Salvio is an exciting choice.

  • Rune

    The right choices for the bench now that we know the starting eleven, I meant.

  • AURELIUS

    Procrastinator, Pablo Piatti was a key component of Almeria’s sucessful season along with Alvaro Negredo. Piatti created a great number of assists his pace and trickery a constant threat to opposing defences in a free role.

    However when withdrawn into midfield his threat was partly cancelled outhaving to hustle up against some tough DMs.

    He’s been eyed up several larger clubs in La Liga but nothing concrete has materialized as yet partly because of that.

    Zarate we know about. Maxi Moralez jumped ship too early off to Russia, struggled to adapt and returned to Racing then Velez where has been in very good form and a critical part of both sides midfields.

    Claudio Yacob has become a solid dependable central mid for Racing attracting some interest from Spanish clubs again. Damian Escudero who missed out the u20 barring one game has not been helped by having a very sketchy run of games for Vallodolid.

    Yet to recapture his Velez form which saw him called up as an emergency left back.

    Sergio Romero an excellent season for AZ and looks to eb regaining that form.

    Lautaro Acosta has done well as a sub for Sevilla while Fazio put in some commmanding performances for the club as a DM but will hopefully be deployed in his normal CB role this season.

    Inus ais developing nicelyat Liverpool and the trio of Aguero,Banega and di Maria the uber talented triumvirate we all know about though Ever has disappointed in prt thriugh his lck of application,

    Of the rest Alejandro Cabral was a important figure in Velez Apertura sucess and others like Sigali are cutting solid careers in the domestic game but will not be much more.

    Cahais also jumped ship early to Holland a sensible move in a way but did not settle and returned I think he is also at Racing. Might take one steop back to get goig again.

    All in all compared to previous u20 squads more players have gone on to real sucess and with truly great potential to be world beaters that triumivirate I mentioned.

    Sadly due to some selection errors we wont be in Egypt this summer to defend the title but the talent is still immense.

    Saludos.

  • Argentuban

    I’m in disbelief that he put his niño on the bench. He wants him to be fresh so he can come in the second half on the low cut grass and snatch a goal.

    Fair enough. Maybe he is thinking that later in the match he will sub out some players and pull Messi intot he midfield then and bring on Lisandro and Aguero. Use Tevez and Messi as forwards to wear downt he defenders and hope they let slip ins econd half with fresh legs. I have no idea. Logic fails when applied to an ilogical mind.

    The only thing that has changed is he isn’t going with three forwards.

    This is the same “strategy” change he made against Bolivia, though.

    We all saw how that turned out.

  • Zanetti

    Procastrinator

    Piatti was voted as one of the most exciting young talent in Spain.
    Recently i read that they are predicting him to be named the best young player in La Liga this season. Keep an eye on Almeria this season with quite a few argies in Paiti, Solari (Esteban), Pellerano (good defender) and Bernadello (Midfielder)..nearly all of them are regular starters for Almeria.

    Another guy to watch is Ayala at Zaragoza, we all know he’s retired but still World Class!! I saw his opening match and the way he marshalled the defence with authority!!

  • http://! Alexa

    The only real hope I have comes from those Brazil pictures. If those guys come in overly confident, they might get burned. It’s a soccer gods thing. False confidence kills you every time (think Man United CL final)…and any team playing against the likes of Lionel Messi should never feel THAT confident.

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    alexa, I feel the opposite. they seem to be having fun, not overly confident. it can be very dangerous If a squad can reach the level of having “fun” on the field and playing team futbol in a creative manner

  • Argentuban

    If the lineup is as stated, I feel Argentina will live or die by Veron and Datolo.

    If they play solid and stay out of card trouble, we can win. Otherwise, no shot whatsoever.

  • Addy

    I WANT BIELSA! HE AS A TACTICION AND MAN MANAGER HAS IMPROVED ALOT SINCE 2002 AND HE ALSO HAS BECOME A LOT LESS ARROGANT GOING INTO MATCHES, THE WAY HE HAS CHILE PLAYING IS LIKE WATCHING MY UNITED AT FULL FLOW.

    I so badly want to see him gone ASAP, i still can not believe the fact he over looks Samuel, Gonzalo, Garay, Cata Diaz, Cambiasso, Lucho, Di Maria, Higuain. I know he has issues with Roman! but politics aside he has been appointed to do a job and thats take us to WC glory, as for players who have been hailed as the next best thing, i wouldn’t mind seeing Aimar back in the fold like a few of the people here mentioned, As for the potential which has yet to explode i’d love to see Buonanotte become a part of this team early too! And finally if he wants to call up legendary strikers nobody comes close to Crespo! As an international striker, goals-per-game ratio, clinical finishing and chances coverted the likes of Cruz & Diego Milito have yet to really fill that void even though they’ve been given chances, they just dont appeal to me internationally, i know Diego Mil hasn’t really had much of a run but he just does’nt seem to have that composure come the international scene!!! I still remember Cruz away to Brazil, a game we should have won he missed glorious chances that night!!! And does anybody know when Gabby Milito is back? i still personally believe he is the best central defender we have at his peak right now, he’s been a big miss for us! Barca paid 25 Mill euros for Chygrynsky, he is not a patch on Gabby, i find that shocking, especially given the fact Pique has stepped up his game & Puyol is just..well Puyol & the captain, so Alves occupies that right side!!! I can’t see the logic in paying that amount for a really poor defender unless Gabby is out for another season!?

  • Amit Singh

    i was so excited abt this game since more than a month..now i dont even want to watch it…shame on Maradona, i cannot stand defence, mid or the fwd combo of messi & Tevez (which just got confirmed by the man himself)

    God i think Maradona has not seen Tevez’s game ..he’s has been very average…Licha , Milito or aguero should have partnered him upfront, if he’s so stuck up on 4-4-2

    Brazil can be easily beaten up by the traditional Argentine game, if we call the right players and have a structure accordingly…even if we dont beat them, i would love to watch magical football

    I will not change my opinion, even if we beat Brazil…Maradona has spoilt my football experience, he’ll spoil WC 10 too it seems (in case we make it to Africa)

  • noori

    what is the timing, plz

  • carrie

    Is freakin Maradona still on drugggs? seriously I cant believe this… I think we are stuck with Maradona and there is not much we can do… it seems like Argentina with all its talented and world class players will be missed in WC 2010 and no one, no one seems to care… Where are the true blooded Argentines? Even if and I say if we win this game nothing will be changed.. even if we get to WC, we will still be stuck by Maradona and we will losee there… This team and these players should not be wasted … the fact that we can not do anything to stop this kills meeeeee… imagine what these players are going through? being couched by an idiottttttttt… it is a nightmare

  • MaxiLopez

    It’s 7:23 now and Mundo Albiceleste is proud to give you the entire transcription of Diego Armando MARADONA’s press conference.

    “It’s been 30 days of rain and the sun’s came up at the last minute. After having my players here and after knowing how they were, I’m very happy.”

    “They show me they have the desire to win. They know our people need them. They know we should have won at Ecuador and we didn’t. Now they know better.”

    “I’m happy as I’ve ever been of being our national team manager.”

    “I had my men working with me and they helped me build my team.”

    “I have the starting lineup on my mind already. ANDUJAR; ZANETTI, DOMINGUEZ, OTAMENDI, HEINZE; RODRIGUEZ, MASCHERANO, VERON, DATOLO, MESSI and TEVEZ.”

    “We get to this match in a good form. All my players know what I want. Tomorrow we’ll have some tactical training and we’ll watch some tapes of Brazil. We’ve watched them already but we’ll watch them with our players.”

    “We have a lot of respect for Brazil. They won the Confederations Cup and they have a great team, but we have our qualities too.”

    “In football, there is no fear. We never hide. We will show our faces and we will attack Brazil.”

    “We will attack them from the flanks with Maxi and DATOLO, with VERON from the middle. With MESSI and TEVEZ causing problems to their centre-backs. With ZANETTI’s run forwards too. With VERON and his set-pieces. We have a lot of possibilities. We will play our game and then we will surely have to see what Brazil bring to the table.”

    “It all depends on how the match presents itself. Our idea is to come out and try to choke them. We don’t know what they will try to do and they may choke us first, but we know we have to take care of KAKA, ROBINHO and Luis FABIANO and we need to watch out for their counter-attacks.”

    “There is no pressures for MESSI or any world-class footballer. He will play like in any other match he has played so far. Pressure is the one a working-class man has every day when he gets up at 5 AM and needs to find a way to earn the money he needs to feed his family. MESSI will play without pressures.”

    “MESSI has to become a man in a hurry and he is showing signs of doing that. This has been the best week I’ve seen from him since I’ve been working with him. He’s fast, he’s focused. He knows what’s at stake.”

    “When we visited the Gigante de Arroyito Stadium was in optimal conditions. They had some minor work to do there in the dressing rooms. What the people in Rosario are showing ahead of this match with the way tickets have been sold. I’m very thankful of the people of Rosario.”

    “I don’t know what DUNGA will bring to Argentina. All I know is that if you win the Confederations Cup, I don’t think you’ll make many changes from that team. I’m sure they’ll have Gilberto SILVA and Felipe MELO. I’m sure LUCIO and LUISAO will be there. Andre SANTOS and MAICON as their full-backs. KAKA, ROBINHO, Luis FABIANO and then RAMIRES or ELANO. Whoever they play, we have to go there and be ready for the battle. We have a great deal of respect for them, but we have to trust our own capabilities.”

    “If we beat Brazil we’ll surely be well-positioned for South Africa 2010. But if we win, I won’t be prettier or wiser or anything like that. I’ll be the same. Some so-called experts are so tiring. The more I hear them talk about football, the more I love myself!”

  • MaxiLopez

    Only our players can win the game. I hope they are clever enough because the coaching staff will never help them. A part from the few Pekerboys (Mascherano, Maxi), there will be no connections, no automatisms. The starting 11 can be considered as totally new, like at every game under Maradona (he has called more than 40 players since his arrival at AFA, you can count!). It’s like the “street football” we were talking about here. This is not the way to prepare any game, against any opponent, and certainly not against Brazil.

    I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE:

    - Mascherano won’t be alone in midfield because Veron won’t help him.
    - The Velez central defence will handle Fabiano & Robinho.
    - Andujar & Datolo will handle the pressure because they don’t have the level.
    - Heinze won’t attack from his flank because he’s out of position and also because Brazil might be VERY dangerous on our left.
    - Zanetti will resist physically.
    - we’ll defend with more than 7 players, especially if we use 4-3-1-2.
    - Tevez & Messi won’t dribble like in a videogame.
    - we’ll keep the ball as much as we can and play or traditional futbol, even without a decent enganche.
    - we’ll be attentive on Kaka’s counter attacks.
    - Lopez will come in, he’s our best forward these days, by far!

    I expect a 0-0. Maradona is afraid and the players don’t know what to do.

    Even with AFA killing the dream of millions of people in Argentina, vamos argentinos, more than ever before.

  • Argentuban

    I’ll take 0-0.

    0-0 and a Colombia victory.

  • Watch_10

    Only for the players talent and luck along with the hope of fans of the these colors the team should win.
    I am expecting a 2-1 victory for Argentina and a post-match conference in which our head coach declaring
    - himself as the best footballing talent ever as a player and as a coach
    - Every thing went as planned
    - he had all tactics mapped out in his mind
    - He does listened to all assistants and consultants but all decisions were his
    - He will continue calling the players as he has been doing
    - He already ordered a replica WC10 to keep in his house for motivation
    - blah bhlah bla
    - I am better than pele

  • Argentuban

    I do not see how Argentina can win.

    Messi is tired.
    No real #9.
    A weak, slow midfield that will have to defend or we’ll get roasted.
    And quite possibly the most laughable back 4 we’ve had yet.

    Argentina must score early. Maybe a long range Veron shot or free kick can do it. He is a great player, just old and too slow in my book. He was too slow with his decision making in 2002, that is for sure.

  • Debasish

    AURELIUS
    You sure know about Argentine players lot more than me. I am still in the upper tier. Don’t get much time to see lower divisions, being in US. Thanks for the information. These are surely the type of information I look for in this blog.

  • Debasish

    “He has to become a man, suddenly; he can no longer be the kid with promise,” Diego Maradona said ahead of Argentina’s climactic games against Brazil in Rosario on Saturday and then away at Paraguay in Asuncion on Wednesday.

    He is like a fan. Like us. Just relying on one guy to win a match.

  • Maximilian

    Can anyone list the players that have an injury and the length of time they will be out? Does Cambiasso have an injury? Even if he didn’t, Maradona wouldn’t call him…do you guys think that he dislikes Cuchu because he missed the last penalty against Germany in 06?

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  • Argentuban

    I had a nightmare last night and Argentina lost 9-2 to Brazil.

  • Rune

    In a derby game like this anything can happen. But I have to say I will be VERY surprised if Dominguez and Otamendi don’t do lots of mistakes. They will be very shaky. It’s crazy to start such a big game with these unexperinced players. From this squad Heinze and Burdisso should have been the centre backs, not because they’re not two clowns, but because they are experienced clowns at such a high level. I do not trust Andujar either, I am afraid. I have a feeling our defence plus Veron and Datolo will be eaten alive in this game…..
    But maybe…. if we can just score the first goal, we have a big chance. This Brazil team is not great, they play like an european side, only fast counter attacks. IF we can score first, maybe we can sit back and counter attack them??? Would be nice, though it wouldn’t be the real Argentina. But as I said, I’ll take anything tomorrow if we win. We need a win. We haven’t beaten these bastards for over 4 years now. And we are close to losing out on a world cup………..

  • Argentuban

    I’ll take a draw. A draw is fine by me. A nice 0-0 draw.

  • skywalker

    lol Argentuban.. 9-2.. reading all your predictions about the game tomorrow, I will add that nothing during the Maradona reign has made any sense, so why should tomorrow? Flying, in the face of everything that has happened thus far and what you all have logically stated above, why not expect Argentina to pull it off. There I said it, I think Argentina wins tomorrow 2-1.

    Back to more serious discussions, you know what’s going to be terrible for all of us watching the game tomorrow? Every time Brazil has the ball going forward on a odd man break, our collective hearts will be in our throats. And there are going to be a fair number of those moments where our defense will be totally out at sea trying to find the players wearing the yellow jerseys. It’s going to be a long 1.5 hours even if we’re up 3-0 after 5 mins because we know just how quickly and devastating they can be.

  • Argentuban

    It’s either going to be a well fought out victory like 2-1 for Argentina or a massacre at the hands of Brazil.

    But like I said, that was a nightmare. I’ve had nightmares come true….they beat Uruguay 4-0, remember? Uruguay had a better defense and was at home, too.

  • MaxiLopez

    In this shameful situation brought by AFA, José Pekerman finally opens his mouth. With hidden words, beside the lack of formation towards kids joining Europe for economical reasons, he’s telling that a futbol crisis has come for Argentina which is based on improvisation (due to economical reasons), although the country has extraordinary players… If only people could openly criticize Grondona…

    Palabra calificada. José Néstor Pekerman, ex entrenador de la Selección, aseguró en su columna del diario español El País que existe “Crisis de talento en Argentina”. Y equipara nuestra realidad con la de Brasil, el vecino y próximo rival en Rosario de la Albiceleste. “Argentina y Brasil comparten un mismo problema. Los talentos no han desaparecido de las calles. Lo que ha bajado es la calidad de los jugadores en los clubes porque el programa de desarrollo está fallando. Los chicos pasan a ser profesionales sin desarrollarse. Sin estar formados, consiguen cosas económicamente buenas. .Los equipos del campeonato local se quedan sin sus jóvenes porque son traspasados demasiado a otras Ligas y se pierden”, aseguró el DT que comandó a la Selección en el Mundial de Alemania 2006.

    “Hemos regresado al modelo vigente en los ‘50, cuando el fútbol nacional vivía en la indulgencia, librado a la improvisación, y a la aparición espontánea de superdotados. Yo pertenezco a la generación que admiró las hazañas de aquellos individualistas que fracasaban Mundial tras Mundial”, disparó en voz baja. ¿Estaremos muy lejos?

    Y cerró. “Desde hace unos años, en Argentina predomina la desconfianza en el trabajo y la rentabilidad sin esfuerzo. Contra Brasil, la Selección afrontará el primero de los cuatro partidos que le quedan para intentar clasificarse. Será una empresa difícil. Espero que lo logre porque tiene jugadores extraordinarios. Si es así, espero que el éxito nos sirva para aprender la lección y reconstruir nuestro fútbol…”.

  • Debasish

    I agree with Sky walker. Even if we are up, we cannot sit back and defend the lead. We just do not have skill, physical strength, stamina to do that. I don’t remember which defender in Champions league, against Inter last year, talking about how physically tiring it was to take care of Adriano and Ibra, since they were so big.

    Also, remember the confed cup final against a 2-0 up USA. Brazil peppered them in second half. Cannot sit back. Its just not our option.

    I feel the whole game will be same. I mean there will be no twist in tale. No coming back from behind. So magic half way through or something like that, for any team. If it starts dull or drab it will be like that. I just hope there is no early goal by Brazil. That will kill us. An early goal by us, just might give some confidence.

    Let’s see. I will take a 0-0 too. And win against Paraguay.

  • MaxiLopez

    KEN,
    Seems that friendly KEN is back instead of JOHN the troll now that our old friend ALBO is not posting anymore. It’s a pity you have behaved like this for years now because you can say interesting things. I agree with what you say but there is only one thing to change in Argentina’s futbol: AFA and its corruption. AFA is responsible of everything. Sadly, Grondona is eternal.

    RUNE,
    Starting the young Velez central defence against Brazil is pure suicide. Maradona is insane. This is too risky. We might pay it. I hope Heinze saves us… because Samuel or Gonzalo won’t be here.

  • Argentuban

    Adriano is licking his chops. Otamendi and Dominguez will be eaten alive.

  • ken

    MAXILOPEZ,
    I have always loved argentiean soccer since I was a child in 1978. To change Grandola and AFA, the ARGENTINEAN nation must take a STAND now. I reiterate it must change its culture. That is why a foreign coach would help tremendously! I have been saying that since 2006! There is no other way out since we have tried everything with native coaches since 1986 with failures after failures at the national level. thanks for your comments.

  • ken

    It is too UNFORTUNATE that JULIAN is also afraid of my mind by DELETING my previous comment. It does not bother me though!

  • skywalker

    Maxi.. thanks for the Pekerman interview.. what a shame it’s all gone so horribly wrong from the street level all the way to the NT

  • Argentuban

    Anyone know how good a team Colombia is fielding against Ecuador?

  • skywalker

    reading the FIFA preview for the game… 16 – The number of years to the day on Saturday since Colombia dished out their legendary 5-0 defeat of Argentina in Buenos Aires, which remains La Albiceleste’s only home qualifying defeat. Can Brazil condemn the Argentinians to another black 5 September?

  • Argentuban

    Yes, they can. We can only hope Colombia wins this time as well against Ecuador.

  • john

    While all of us want Argy to win it’s become apparent that I’m am one of the few who believe they can.

    I don’t think they can out flare this Brazilian team but if they remain focused and united for 90 minutes we can win ugly…..and I’ll take an ugly three points anyday over a moral no points for beautiful football.

    Regards,

  • Argentuban

    Ugly works for me. Points are what we need.

  • Argentuban

    Remember, remember, the 5th of September.

  • day1star

    oh well, can’t say i’m not disappointed about the line up coz i am. I would never start Tevez, i would bring him on in the second half when he would actually make an impact.
    We played with tevez and messi upfront at the emirates against Brazil, we lost 3-0, we played with tevez and messi upfront in the copa america final against brazil and lost 3-0, btw Riquelme was in both those games and we still lost.
    I can still see the 2006 quarter final against germany, where Pekerman instead of starting Saviola with Crespo, as he had done in all the matches with the exception of the holland match in which messi and tevez were upfront(the match ended 0-0), decided to start tevez with crespo, we lost.
    i don’t know if it’s just me, but most matches where Tevez has started in the last 3 years we have lost
    i suppose we can hope 3rd time lucky, coz regardless of who is in the team, the players who take to the pitch will give everything to try and win, in spite of Diego.

  • Argentuban

    I would have started Lopez with Milito injured.

    It’s the defense that worries me, though. An awful lot.

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    maybe he is starting this defense because they have a lil chemistry??? I dont know what is going on. I still somehow have a lil hope even though I know their team is better than our in almost every single position. Also, they know each other and have chemistry.
    I dont think tevez should start though. I dont think Messi should be a traditional striker. And finnally I dont think MaxiLopez should be allowed to use the word troll anymore…please grow up.

  • fab

    our defense is really bad yes…but look at our attack

    maxi, messi (who is taking this game very seriously), tevez, and datolo is pretty good as well

    messi is at his prime…this will be his time to shine

  • Argentuban

    Yes I agree the offense is good. But the difference is Brazil has a strong defense and a world class keeper.

  • http://www.thesoccerchannel.org jackbutz

    Prediction: Argentina (3) v Brazil (0)
    Messi – 2 and Tevez

  • Messay

    do you guys know what time the game is Pacific time? i am gonna order it? it says its at 5pm pacific time, but i thought it was much earlier than that.

  • Argentuban

    Nope. That sounds about right.

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    Also don’t forget to listen to our podcast as we discuss everything that is related to the game. Don’t forget to give your comment on this.

    VAMOS ARGENTINA!!!

  • Argentuban
  • Jose

    As a semi-neutral, I see Brazil winning or frustrating you guys with a score draw… Argentina has got the talent and the home advantage, but I feel like Dunga knows exactly what Maradona will do.

    Argentina will still make it to the World Cup, even if they have to go through the CONCACAF playoffs (none of the teams in the Hexagonal have a good recent history versus Argentina). I root for all of Latin America (heck, all of the Americas) at the World Cup, and I can see Argentina getting its self together by then. Then again, maybe I just hope they do…

    After reading the comments, it seems there is little confidence from fans going into this. I can’t particularly blame you after seeing the squad selection… How in the world does a coach so heavily alter the squad “a este nivel del juego”, as they say?

  • MaxiLopez

    JOSE,
    I don’t know if Maradona is playing another little intox game by revealing his lienup, strategy, etc to Dunga but in the following interview, he even implies that Aguero will sub Tevez. Seems that Veron has earned a lot of influence towards the coach. Veron will be at WC 2010 for sure.

    “Es para jugarlo”, le dijo Maradona a Fox Sports al llegar a Rosario. “El viaje fue fantástico. Llegamos descansados, muy bien en el micro, durmieron y se relajaron”, analizó sobre el traslado de Ezeiza a la ciudad donde mañana se va a jugar el clásico con Brasil. Y dio su opinión sobre lo que quiere de Lionel Messi: “Espero que la rompa. Está bárbaro. Ojalá que haga el 50% de las prácticas”.

    Brasil: “Va a ver lo que pasa. Va a jugar con lo nuestro. Nosotros tendremos la pelota y va a tener que correr muchísimo para aguantar nuestro ataque. Pero no descuidamos los jugadores de Brasil. Le recalcamos cada cosa que tienen. Es muy buen equipo. Pero le podemos ganar”.

    Los jugadores: “Nos mentalizamos tanto esta semana que no hubo ningún jugador que haya necesitado algo para descansar. Todos estaban perfectos. Vamos a agarrar energía esta noche para tirarla mañana en la cancha. Y creo que acá tengo a los 23 que van a jugar el Mundial”.

    Tevez: “Nos puede dar mucho movimiento. El Kun está rápido, picante, pero a los dos centrales hay que pelearlos. Es el mejor lugar en el que se puede poner a Carlitos”.

    Centros: “Hacemos zona. Sabemos el poderío de Brasil en la pelota parada con Luisao, Lucio, Felipe Melo, Gilberto Silva… Hay muchas marcas. Por eso vamos a hacer marca en zona. Sin descuidar a los cabeceadores”.

    La previa: “Mañana es todo relax. Hasta la hora de la charla tienen que guardar las energías que después van a tirar en la cancha. Es un día lindo para meditar el partido. Estoy tranquilo”.

    El césped: “Se dijeron muchas cosas. Quiero una cancha linda. Supongo que en estos días la pusieron mejor y tendremos un campo maravilloso. Estuvieron los cancheros de Ezeiza dando una mano”.

    Domínguez: “Seba se lo ganó a través del juego. Si bien Otamendi salía figura todos los partidos, Domínguez no fallaba, era el que lo manejaba prácticamente”.

    Verón: “Está fantástico. Lo de él es increíble. Lo que ha crecido la Bruja… Sigue tan humilde como siempre. Es un jugador pensante, que ordena y está pendiente del juego. Nos viene bárbaro”.

  • MaxiLopez

    Against Brazilian central defenders, the most suitable forward is Lisandro Lopez. Maradona says his only choice is Aguero or Tevez (everybody knows they aren’t even #9!). What about Licha, Diego? Isn’t he “loyal” enough?

  • MaxiLopez

    Do you guys remember the time when we were all worried because Argentina didn’t find a replacement of Crespo? Now that we have great #9, we see our coach (a second Basile) ignoring them and showing his preference to little second forwards from his family… I know Tevez & Aguero aren’t common players, they are great. But we need to play them at their correct position, in a 4-3-3, I don’t know. In a 4-4-2, we need a pure #9…

  • skywalker

    you’re spot on Maxi.. in a weird way, our extended poor run of form can be traced directly back to when Crespo got hurt in the Copa, and that too from taking a PK. After that, Cruz played upfront and once he failed miserably, it gave Basile the excuse he needed to field Tevez/Aguero in the #9 slot and Roman suffered which in turn led to the chaos that is Maradona. Funny how that one injury changed so much.

  • fab

    crespo was our last proven #9

    he would always score for the NT…. ALWAYS

  • Rune

    Starting with Messi and Tevez as strikers in 4-4-2 has always been a bad idea when we play really good teams, and it will always be. Basile did this, Diego does this, but it has never worked. And it never will, I can assure you. It will be very easy for Brazil to defend, cause no one is threatening to score, there is no real poacher on the field for us. Messi must be used in the hole behind two strikers/attackers, or as an attacker paired with a real #9. I can’t believe that most of us in here sees this, but not the guys in charge of our beloved NT(Bssile, Diego). It’s a terrible situation. I don’t know if I am supposed to laugh or cry………
    But, we can still win tonight. Argentina-Brazil are very spesial games.

  • Chalz

    pls, do write at what time the match starts dubai time . . . and at which channel??? pls

  • Debasish

    Argentina coach Diego Maradona organised a mass prayer for his squad at their training ground on Thursday as they prepare for their vital World Cup qualifier with Brazil.

    Now he is seeking divine interventions.

    I sure remember the crespo penalty.

    BTW, Maxi, could you translate some for those information in English.

  • Argentuban

    A prayer is all we have.

  • carrie

    god what are team has become??? now the prayer is the only thing that will help us… God how I hate Mardona, I never thought there would come a day that I would say this :(

  • Felipe

    I agree with all your posts, which is sad because we all are in fear and disbelief! One thing is for sure, whatever happens it won’t be a free-flowing game like the 2005 qualifier (remember that? What a first-half performance). It will be tight, perhaps bad-tempered as well.
    The clue to Maradona’s coaching came last year when he said Mourinho was the World’s best coach. Um, no he’s not. And the early clues ar Diego’s doing what Mourinho does and organising an 11 around what the other team will do. This has to be done to a certain extent, sure, but Brazil (and every team) should be scared stiff of having to play Argentina in Argentina not the other way round.
    MaxiLopez, Rune and everyone else you’ve all explained what’s wrong with 4-4-2 so well I don’t need to repeat it. It is simply all wrong for this generation of players. It means the wingers are responsible for creating and Maxi Rod as good as he is isn’t creative, nor is Jonas and Datolo is unproven. Plus, if you have creative wingers you need a number 9 (as you’ve said) and not two short strikers who prefer the ball at their feet.
    Also, Argentina are playing a team who’ll rely on the counter-attack and what’s Diego done? He’s playing two short strikers who will both drop deep and try to dribble forward every time: it’s here where you lost the ball and the other team can counter.
    We’ll see, I’ll be delighted to eat my words. Whatever Diego is doing, he’s doing it his way. Who can say what will happen? There’s no logic or tactics in this (or maybe there is and I just don’t want to admit where they lead. If Argentina do win, they’ve done it with a coach taking a MASSIVE risk: playing two full-backs who were the weak link (by Dunga’s own admission) 2 years ago and have only got older, playing two inexperienced, local-league centre backs, playing an old Veron whose been an injury doubt all week and two strikers who have never played well together: all a massive risk and needless too when you consider the players who haven’t been picked.
    Anyway, I just hope and want Argentina to win. They need 3 points from one of these two games regardless.

  • AUDIE LEICESTER UK

    i hate maradona ,maradona druggy,maradona idiot , maradona fool ,i would pick this insted of maradonas that…..

    THIS BLOG GETS WORSE BY THE DAY ARE YOU ASLL NOW STATING INJURIES ARE MARADONAS FAULT

    SO WE HAVE ESTABLISHED IN THIS BLOG THAT

    1 MARADONAS TO BLAME FOR TEVEZ,MESSI,MAXI FUCK UPS RESULTING IN THE 2 NIL LOSS AWAY AT ALTITUDE

    2 AND NOW MARADONAS AT FAULT FOR INJURY’S

    MARADONA HAS PICKED AND BUKLT A TEAM FOR TONIGHTS MATCH BASED ON PLAYERS AVALABLE

    AND THE FIRST PERSON TO MENTION INSUA FROM LIVERPOOL ILL GLADLY PUNCH IN THE FACE THE GUY IS USELESS HIS A GOD DAMED PUB PLAYER SUNDAY LEAGUE HE IS ONE USELESS WASTE OF SPACE HIS AWFUL EVERYTIME HE PLAYS FOR LIVERPOOL

    MONZON YES PAPA YES INSUA NEVER

  • skywalker

    AUDIE LEICESTER UK, don’t take it the wrong way but if you’re going to make a point, please turn the caps lock off. I have a headache in my eye reading your posts.

    Debasish.. serious? a mass prayer? wow

    Felipe, agreed, esp the last bit you wrote, we need 3 points any way possible. It’s crazy to think that we’ve gotten by on sheer talent alone thus far in the qualifiers. inspite of our coaches efforts, if results go our way, we could lead the table after this round. That’s how competitive SA is now. Highly unlikely of course, but really there’s nothing in it anymore. I do have a feeling we’ll beat Paraguay though, they peaked a little too early and not the same team anymore. This match in a few hours though is the wildcard…

  • Watch_10

    If argentina fans are afraid of brazil while playing home, then indeed its sad day for our football.
    But this what maradona has brought to argentine national team

  • carrie

    one more thing… we do not need massive prayers having all these brilliant players, are you kidding me? what we need is a COACH who knows how to use them efficiently and effectively… GOD I am so frustrateddddd

  • Felipe

    Yeah Skywalker: 3 points anyway is vital. I’ll take anything rather than a World Cup withoug Argentina.
    Audie, I agree with you concerning Insua (though maybe not to that extent)and that Argentina had a glorious chance to take something from the game in Ecuador. Yeah, injuries to Demichelis, Lucho, Gago etc have been unfortunate and obviosuly aren’t Maradona’s fault but Samuel isn’t injured. Nor is Gonzalo. Or Aimar. Or Ansaldi, Cavenaghi, Higuain, Pastore etc that Maradona (and Basile) refused to call up. It’s his fault he has such slim pickings because he would not pick or blood relevant players. And as for Jonas, he’s grown on me but not that much; it’s Diego who has given him such an important role in the team and therefore suffers when he is injured.

  • http://7794741 fuck maradona

    hey guys do you thin maradona will be fired if we loose against brazil? do u think we have chance to go for world cup of we loose?

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    Maradona will not be fired even if the apocolypse begins tomorrow. Lissandro Lopez needs to start over Tevez, eithr that or take Datalo out and play Messi in the mid field or as a third striker.

  • Argentuban

    Well Ronaldo came one step closer to missing the Cup as well.

    If they do not beat Hungary on Wednesday, they are almost assuredly out because Sweden won thanks to a last minute Ibra goal.

  • Mightie

    “CHALZ” the match starts at 4:30am in Dubai and will be shown on Jazeera 1 or 2 and also on ART.

    GUYZ check out the training pictures of both sides
    http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_football/1461070.html

  • Argentuban

    Right now I am rooting for Colombia and Peru. Don’t know about you guys.

    So many matches we could have had back. Heinze’s own goal. Tevez’ red. Tevez’ missed penalty.

    Right there we lost 5 points at least.

  • Rune

    Go Colombia and go Peru!
    I am so nervous now that I can hardly breathe……And the game is 3,5 hours away…….

  • Rune

    Spain look so impressive! They will win the WC next year!

  • http://! Alexa

    i wouldn’t bet on that, rune.

  • Rune

    Yeah! Both Peru and Colo with late goals. Come on, hold on now…

  • Luis

    Colombia doing us a favour. It’s in our hands now.

  • Argentuban

    Thank you Peru and Colombia! WOOHOO!!!!

  • Rune

    YEAH!!!!!

  • Argentuban

    Now go Bolivia. If they win against Paraguay, we could jump to 3rd by the end of the night Wednesday night – maybe even a solid third.

  • Brigie

    We better win huh We have to beat Brazil my only worry is the bacl line for argentina is not strong

  • skywalker

    some early results went our way.. just so tough to win away from home as always. hopefully that trend works in our favour in a few hours time

  • skywalker

    although, the red card in the Columbia game helped!

  • Brigie

    and I hate Maradona he is the reason for our inconsistentcy bring back Bielsa or give Batigol a chance geez the man have a degree in coaching let him coach the national squad oh geez I really frustrated as well

  • Argentuban

    It was two yellows though. Not a straight red.

  • Rahman

    Anybody knows a online link of Brazl-Agrentina plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • skywalker

    Argentuban, you know what I mean, the player getting sent off… T-1 hour.. getting the shisha ready, alcohol set, getting the shawarma all cooked up, nothing like the aforementioned trio at 4:30 in the morning.. 7 brazilians coming over, 5 of us representing the blue and white… can’t bloody wait. see you guys after the game..

    leaving off with our famous terrace song: Argentina va a salir campeón, Argentina va a salir campeón, se lo dedicamos a todos, y la reputa madre que los reparió. Vamos Argentina

  • marindrianto

    @Rahman, do you want to see last year game????

    I need a streaming link for Argentina v. Brazil plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • audie uk lesta

    maradona inconsistancy ERM ONLY GAMES HE LOST SRE THE ALTITUDE GAMES….. all other games are wins….oh trever brooking is at it again apparanly the only argentina player that would get in the brazil squad is messi THE GUY JUST CANNOT HELP HIMSELF

  • noori

    Who are the players? Formation?……..How are all you feeling?
    VAMOS ARGENTINA

  • Argentuban

    Otamendi will have to play the game of his life tonight.

  • carrie

    I am so nervoussssssssssssss

  • Rune

    Ok, guys. Good luck to you all!! I am so nervous now….can’t sit still. I want a win. I guess it’s too much to ask for…..but, it’s a derby…anything can happen.
    VAMOS ARGENTINA!!!!VAMOS A GANAR!!!!

  • fab

    any links?…

  • Jonathan

    Anybody got links for the game up yet.

  • audie uk 2009

    no link needed im watching live on sky tv and upscale hd and surround sound in my manroom lol women/kids banned just playing bit of wii why i wait

  • Jonathan

    i know this site http://www.minideportes.com/ if you scroll down to argentina vs brazil will give you a bunch of links just dont know how good they will be and most likely will be in spanish want to see if someone knows a better one or not.

  • fab
  • Riquelme

    Nice to see Brazil at the backfoot. I hope Argentina takes advantage of it pretty soon.

  • Jonathan

    true still waiting on the first real shot, was wondering if anyone else was here

  • Argentuban

    There it is…the beginning of the end.

  • Riquelme

    The casual defence once again ruined what could have been a great game!

  • Mightie

    oh o!

  • Argentuban

    That’s why we need a real coach.

  • Mightie

    brazil 1-0 argentina

  • Golazo

    HAHAHAHA the chinese announcers are laughing at our defense. cheap goal

  • Argentuban

    And that Veron kick would have been hit in goal if Milito, a real 9, was in the fucking game.

  • Mightie

    wonderful! 2-0 :(

  • Argentuban

    So my question is – where are all the Maradona nuthuggers now? 2-0, Brazil

    FIRE THE FUCK ALREADY!!!!!

  • Sam

    typical brazil, unbelievable luck fucking bullshit and of course the argentina defense is pathetic.

  • Golazo

    I don’t think anyone is surprised here.

  • carrie

    I HATE MARADONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  • fab

    any good links…the ones i find are usless

  • Golazo

    worst thing ever if we go to paraguay and win and maradonna keeps his job

  • fab

    if we miss the world cup…kiss maradonas god title goodbye

  • Argentuban

    The problem, Golazo, is that if we do not win in Paraguay we are out of the World Cup now.

  • carrie

    speechless

  • http://! Alexa

    please a link

  • Jose

    Unbelievable first half performance… This defense is making it easy for Brasil. (This is what I meant when I said I felt like Dunga could read Maradona.)

  • Argentuban

    He picked the defense. No one else. Let’s see him blame someone else.

  • Nolan

    I can’t decide if I hate Dunga or Maradona more.

  • Jonathan

    that was close

  • carrie

    I cant believe because of f…ing Mardona we make not make it to WC… Who is reposible for this?

  • Sam

    this is a joke. brazil scored from 2 set pieces whilst argentina have been the much better side.

  • http://www,thesoccerchannel.org jackbutz

    maradona does not have a clue what he is doing so when does he get fired?

  • Argentuban

    Why should we hate Dunga? I’m tired of people saying we should hate Brazil or Brazilians. It’s our own fucking fault we put Morondona in charge to begin with.

    Argentina, it’s always Peron this and Peron that and Maradona this and Maradona that. FUCKING A!!!! IT’S DONE!!!!!

  • Argentuban

    If we didn’t have a donkey as a manager and had real defenders on the team we’d at least be at 0-0 at half time.

  • http://! Alexa

    I can’t believer those fckers blocked all the live streams. That makes me even more mad than the result so far….

  • Rune

    This is nothing spesial, It’s just the nightmare most of us were expecting. it’s been a junior team against grown ups. when you field a defence and a team that just simply can not defend dead ball situation, this is what you get, And we have been a joke in attack. messi can’t do everything. this is a pathetic team. we need more help from equador and Uruguay to get to the WC with this team. and if we get there…..humiliation is what we we’ll get. just like tonight…HUMILIATION.

  • Messay

    I could only imagine if we had a defense that consists of walter samuel, gonzalo, garay, pareja, and the likes….

  • http://www.malditainclusaodigital.com.br Weverton

    #chupamaradona o Brasil manda \o/

  • Golazo

    if we have a number 9 we would of scored a goal

  • fab

    we would be winning…we have so many young and talented defenders…and attackers

    its like this guy just does not care….im sure there is a shady reason how maradona became coach

    there is no way a professional organization would ignore a coaches record as a coach before hiring him

  • iaj

    To be honest, Argentina has been the side who have shown beautiful touches so far in this game.

    But sadly, a team with ‘non-existent’ defence and no real ‘goal-scorer’ (thanks to Maradona, there is no Higuain) is going to suffer. How can a team do well when every set piece from the opposition threatens to be a goal?

  • Argentuban

    Yeah, Rune. Most.

    But, I say again, where are all the Maradona nuthuggers now? He pisses rosewater, farts gold dust, and can heal the sick, right?

    100 bucks says they won’t fire his sorry ass. The media won’t even question him or revisit the defensive choices either.

  • andre

    OK people relax when argentina have the ball brazil can’t touch it,first priority is to fire maradona,work on our defense cause both those goal should have never scored.I would like to see higuan,riquelme and aimar in the line up,it’s not the end of the world we will bounce back for this.A world cup without argentina is one i won’t be watching

  • fab

    maradona will become the george bush of argentina… a laughing stock

  • Messay

    I could only imagine if our midfield consits of mascherano, cambiasso
    With maxi, messi, aimar, and higuian infront of them

  • Mightie

    how much is this goin to be now 3-0 or 4-0. cant take anymore humiliation. already suffered a lot at the hands of brazil

  • Argentuban

    Well, andre, thanks for the great pep talk. One problem. They will never in a million years fire Maradona. We’ve been calling for that since Bolivia.

  • Argentuban

    Put in Pareja for Ota-suckass, get Milito in and keep Messi in the midfield.

  • http://! Alexa

    This can easily be 4-0 final – it doesn’t matter how “lovely” arg play

  • Argentuban

    Maradona IS a laughing stock. A church for this guy? People are loons.

  • http://doispoetasnaescola.com Fernando Kobaia

    #chupamaradona

  • http://www.twitter.com/caoticagem Matheus
  • http://www,thesoccerchannel.org jackbutz

    time to clean house fire maradona and grondona. grondona takes the blame for ruining argentine soccer. basile does not look so bad now after all. hell bring back passarella

  • Sam

    this is the worst defense in a long time. otamendi, rodriguez, heinze? what the fuck. i mean heinze at least has experience, but the other 2 i dont understand.

  • Riquelme

    Argentuban, I am not sure if you are actually watching the game or just whining. Brazil has a better GK, better defence and as good an attack as Argentina’s. But Argentina played much better than Brazil and played much better than anyone expected.

    Argentina isn’t a hot favorite going into the game and no coach in the world can guarantee a win against the likes of Brazil. Brazil scored the goals in set-pieces. Its like the defence experiences a sudden loss of blood into their nerves and acts very irresponsibly. They are either not marking well or losing concentration.

    The fact is Maradona (who himself is a horrible coach) had succeeded another horrible coach. But the problem in this game particular is the defence. And thats a cultural problem with Argentine soccer.

  • Golazo

    Is anyone honestly shocked?

  • procrastinator

    oh well, people are paying the price for worshipping false idols too much.
    I’m sympathetic towards those who loved watching great Argentine players and want to see them in the worldcup, for such people this is looking to be a tragedy. but for all those people who absurdly made a footballer their god, this is what that kind of shit gets you.

    as bad as Maradona’s decisions are (and they are pretty much unforgivably awful) he was placed there by a machiavellian FA head because he has been unquestioningly worshipped by far too many people.

    sack him, look again at the wisdom of retarded people worship and then get a competent manager in (LaVolpe?).

    the 2 at the back are pretty poor but it’s Mascherano who is causing the problems. Maradona’s “beast” is playing utter shit tonight. fouls left, right and centre, giving way too much space up and also going missing when the team need a release at the back.

    god this is such a terrible waste of brilliant players.

  • josi

    Brazil 2 Argent ina nil at the half. it is not done yet. Dunga tactics seem to paying off so far. I knew that’s what he was going to do. Allow Argentina the to play in their own half and then counter attack and get freekicks. Argentina has to go for broke now. Take chances try to get even a draw out of this match. They cannot afford to lose this one.

  • imad

    Argentina without Maradona stronger

  • Argentuban

    Lavolpe would have them defend and would call up the right players.

  • carrie

    It is time for the people of Argentina to cut the f…ing hand’s of GOD

  • imad

    Leave Maradona

  • imad

    I hate the Brazil

  • soumen

    Otamendi is a young talent but with no experience. The fault is maradonas to put such a inexperienced guy in such a critical match? Is he on coke? How does he expect totamendi to handle the pressure?

  • carrie

    Golazo I am not shocked rather saddend… it breaks my hearth to see my favorite ruining like this by the likes of Maradona

  • imad

    Best Achievement Maradona did it Remove Argentina World Cup Date entered

    Leave Maradona

  • carrie

    I can not imagine a world cup without Argentina and Messi… A WC without Argentina not worth watching…

  • Sam

    fucking brazilians, never ending luck. argentina have been the better side and had a lot more chances.

  • soumen

    This argentina team is like the barcelona team of 2007-08. So much potential but stupid coach & wrong personnel

  • Argentuban

    Because they kiss ass to Maradona,that’s why they are still in Raj. Veron is the greatest failure in NT history, and Tevez is gassed. Robinho chose his NT over his club this past weekend by asking to rest. Tevez played.

  • Mightie

    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL
    2-1 DATOLO!!!!

  • Mightie

    STUNNER!!!!!

  • Argentuban

    Datolo scores! YES!

  • Mightie

    3-1 damn

  • fab

    hahahah

    i cant believe this

  • Mightie

    FABIANO is so sharp

  • Argentuban

    And our defense fails again.

  • carrie

    I do not hate Brazil, I hate Maradona and all those who have in any shape or form have contributed to our NT’s failure

  • Argentuban

    Messi has played well. Datolo had the one good goal.

    Everyone else has been total shit. The defense is a joke.

  • Argentuban

    Otamendi is considered a defender because GOD says so! How dare you question GOD!!!!

    SNARK!

  • Riquelme

    Messi has played well? What game are you watching dude?

    Messi is totally disconnected and helpless! It looks to me like Augero, Tevez and Messi are playing in 3 different games.

  • Sam

    haha brazil keep scoring from nothing. argentina have had the best chances and should be winning this match.

  • pancho

    please resign Maradona… Do the right thing!

  • Mightie

    look at the condition of the team at home, i wonder what they will do in south africa

  • carrie

    seriously why Mardona wasnt immediately fired after the Bolivia game? it must have been the hand’s of GOD

  • carrie

    Can we aford to wait 4 more yearsss I certainly can not… I rather die

  • pancho

    Do you think Pep would be interested? LOL

  • John

    Anyone have a good stream?

  • carrie

    And why is F…ing Veron still innnnnn??

  • Argentuban

    Because Veron performs sexual favors for Maradona I guess. Veron is a joke.

    He was a total failure in 2002. How is this different?

  • pancho

    As much as I disagreed with Pekerman’s substitutions in 06, I did understand them, hindsight is always 20/20.. He can do better than Maradona. I think he’s unemployed @ the moment.

  • pancho

    That’s it… I’m going to lose 20lbs, run around the field a lot, I’m 5′5″, 35 years old, Argentinian and past my prime… Maybe Maradona will call me up, I’m clearly not the best and an illogical choice so maybe.. I’ll wait by the phone for my call-up…

  • Golazo

    Congrats to brazil to be the first south american team to get into the world cup.

  • Argentuban

    Yes, congratulations to Brazil. They have a semblance of a team.

  • pancho

    I agree, hopefully we can get some good out of this… Maradona resigning, cause he’ll never get fired!!!

  • Argentuban

    You know, none of those goals were really the keeper’s fault.

    All the defenders fault. Not one of them should have been a goal – out of position every time.

  • Argentuban

    I say again…WHERE ARE ALL THE MARADONA NUTHUGGERS NOW!?!?!?!

    I’m going to enjoy some good food and watch a movie. Now I that I know Argentina and Portugal won’t be in the World Cup, I can make alternative plans for the summer.

  • fab

    he will never resign

    you have to understand..everything maradona does is for maradona

  • pancho

    maybe if we’re lucky, Messi will tell Grondona he won’t play for Maradona.
    Grondona knows who brings more money to the NT.. He’ll fire Maradona, then get Grondona will get hit by a bus on the way home. 2 problems solved…

  • Watch_10

    WTF
    He really needs a brain check …WTF

  • skywalker

    I recall what we all said after the Russia game, vs Russia those half and full fledged chances weren’t taken and the score line flattered us. but vs Brazil, you can’t be sloppy on Defence, can’t be caught with the deer in headlights look when defending set pieces. As I said during the Russia game, set pieces and defensive positioning are the easiest to spot as to how much of an impact a coach has had on a team. People will say that was it Maradona’s fault that Heinze and Maxi both went to the same guy to allow the defender to run free in the box? But you know what, that’s precisely how a coach is judged in terms of having his players trained and coached as a unit so they pick up all the men in the box. When players are uncoached and playing street type soccer with no clear idea in mind, you see the type of defense we played.

    Look, there is so much more I can go on. But thanks to the results today, we still are in 4th and still have a chance to go through.

  • Argentuban

    Amen, fab.

    We need to start an anti-Maradona church…..morons.

  • Nolan

    As much as Pekerman’s substitutions fustrated me, Argentina hasn’t had an identity since he quit.

  • Golazo

    Whats with all this uproar? Its like you guys actually thought we were going to beat brazil with these players.

  • iaj

    It now looks quite certain that WC2010 is going to miss both Lionel Messi and Christiano Ronaldo. That’s a shame.

  • pancho

    I did not expect Argentina to win, I only hoped..and hope is a funny thing…

  • Napolifan

    After Bolivia’s game I suggested that Maradona had a selection issues and that argentina should cut its losses by letting the legend go.

    Deigo is too emotional to forge a serious team. His team selction bordors a mild case of delusion.

    Sergio Batista is THE MAN FOR ARGENTINA. Argetina can still make the world cup if Diego resigns tonight, Sergio Batista Olympic tean is assembled.

  • John

    Stop blaming Maradona, you moron, without Maradona, Argentina would never be consider as a great futbul power in the history of the game.he maybe made mistake as a coach today, but he did something that no other Argentinean has done for this country. so STFU and respect the legend.

  • Argentuban

    Actually, I expected a worse result Golazo. I’m jsut trying to see if all the god worshippers will come out and say something clever or if they will finally admit he’s an idiot. Otamendi and Dominguez indeed….

  • Sam

    shame ayala retired, he was one of argentina’s best defenders ever.

  • josi

    I wanted Argentina to win because I cannot fathom Argentina not in the WC. They are still 4th because ecuador lost. That being said I know alot of u are going to say Argentina outplayed Brazil. They did not. Dunga had a plan and his players stuck to it throughout the match. Dunga knows how to beat Argentina. Argentina improved in so much that they did not get caught out on the counter attack but so did Brazil.They never allowed Messi, tevez not a sight on goal. The goal that Argentina scored was fantastic but that alone will not allow you to win matches at this level. I only hope they qualify though.

  • Golazo

    Maradona record in games other then friendlies is 2-3. Argentina has a losing record under him hahahaha

  • http://! Alexa

    Word is that Grondona will never fire Diego, and that Diego will never quick.

    Someone could write a PHD dissertation on this sort of nationwide self-immolation.

  • Argentuban

    Our goal differential is a whopping +2 in the qualifying campaign. LOL

    PATHETIC!!!!

  • aimar 10

    this is a sad day for argentine football. i think our biggest problem is we can’t score. we keep pumping in crosses and no one can get a head on them. our game plan just couldn’t work, and we refused to changed it. man all of our problems showed up tonight and i was very surprised to see mache get destroyed by kaka like that. the only good news i can hear is maradonna is now fired.

  • http://! Alexa

    quick– quit

  • Sam

    John is right, Maradona is not to blame. In truth argentina lack good defenders at the moment, if demichilis had played im sure the score line would be different. Garay is very inexperienced and Samuel hasnt performed for Argentina in a long time.

  • mac

    stop insulting maradona people; he is a legend, an arse of coach though, should be sacked……

  • argieee

    Easy one!!!………..Haha

    By argieee | September 1st, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    brazil 3 – arg 1

  • VAMOS_MESSI

    Argentina play very gud.But the seleccion player are very stupid.Maradona won’t listen to bILARDO.He just selfish.I don’t like MAradona.He don’t have a gud plan.He just only want to pick up his favorite player only.What the hell with the defence like otamendi and domonguez.Messi he’s very gud and nobody will gud like him even kaka,ronaldinho or who else but Maradona waste his talent.Forget Maradona.I will hate Maradona if Argentina won’t go to WCUP2010.Goalkeeper.I never understand why Maradona pick Andujar instead of Carizzo and Romero.If i,i will pick Romero because he has experience play with Brazil.Oh ya hope AFA can think about to bring Batista to NT.hermmmmmmmmm i think we can forget the world cup 2010 under Maradona………i cry…………………

  • Sam

    can someone explain what must happen for argentina to qualify now?

  • procrastinator

    pathetic match, laughable really. I hope Messi, Higuain, Aimar and Saviola apply for Spanish citizenship and play for Spain. they’re wasting their time with this AFA/Maradona/Basile/Pekerman mentality. if it’s not the outright cowardice of Pekerman (a failure at the highest level, no matter how pretty Argentina play against weak opposition) it’s the brainless bravado of Basile or the moronic mismanagement of Maradona. honestly, such good players deserve better. and we the international audience deserve to see these players in teams and formations that work to bringout the best of their talents.

    imagine if Tevez wasn’t called up and, instead, Higuain played up front. Higuain would have kept the ball a little longer, played better one-twos (like he tends to do with just about everybody at Madrid) and had more powerful shots.

    Messi was playing in the centre of midfield, or at least that is where his runs were starting from. this is utter stupidity. either play messi as an “10″ further up, or play him in his old position on the right. having messi in midfield just gives Brazil an extra layer of defence between Messi and the goal.

    Messi had noone to pass the ball to, who could hold it up in the central areas of Brazil’s box. everyone was moving out of the area, going wide, to get some space… so who was supposed to be knocking the ball in??

    Veron was average/mediocre, it’s not his fault that Argentina lost. he did a lot of good linkages but Argentina’s offence was fucked up by Maradona, by not picking the right players. we knew this from before the squad was revealed.

    Mascherano is not good enough to be marshalling the defence. he can’t distribute, is prone to STUPID and risky fouls (the first 2 goals are a result of Argentina making needless fouls) and goes out of position too much to be counted upon. with better defenders this might not be quite so apparent but, today he made so many yellow card worthy fouls that I was shouting at the referee to send him off.

    I think Argentina will be VERY lucky to qualify for the worldcup. I’ll be sorry not to see Messi, Saviola, Aguero and Higuain. :(

  • aimar 10

    how many times are brazil going to beat us the exact same way. they play good defence and counter attack. is there any way humanly possible to counter this. i am tired of hearing we dominate the macth but loose 3-1. i want to win and without scoring its impossible. it took a miracle strike against brazil and bolivia for us to score, lets just face it we can’t score.

  • Addy

    HELLO PEOPLE, ITS ME ADDY WHO CAME HERE WHEN THE TEAM WAS FIRST ANNOUNCED AND CRIED, CRIED SO MUCH THAT HE WANTED THE GROUND TO SWALLOW HIM UP, I CRIED THAT OUR SELECTION OF DEFENDERS WAS SHOCKING, I CRIED ABOUT DIEGO & HIS TACTICS, I CRIED ABOUT POLITICS, I CRIED ABOUT THE LACK OF CREATIVITY COMING FROM MIDFIELD, I CRIED ABOUT VERON BEING PASSED IT, I CRIED ABOUT DIEGO MILITO NOT BEING AN INTERNATIONAL MADE STRIKER, I CRIED ABOUT MANY THINGS, AND I WILL CRY TIL THE DAY THAT F@T RET@RDED CUN7 IS SACKED.

    CRYING SHAME.

  • Golazo

    Argentina are still in an automantic position to qualify. Argentina has 22 points and three different teams have 20

  • José Paiva

    CHUUUUUUUUUUUUPA ARGENTINA.

  • Golazo

    if we tie paraguay were in good shape

  • Addy

    DID I JUST READ SOMEBODY SAY VERON WAS AVERAGE? HE WAS P!SS FKING POOR, AND THAT IS A FKING FACT, HIS SET PIECES NEVER CLEARED THE FIRST MAN WHEN THEY DID THEY WENT TOO LONG! HIS INTERPLAY WAS WAY TOO PREDICTABLE, HE NEVER REALLY PLAYED ANYTHING THROUGH THE MIDDLE, EVERYTHING WAS TOO BASIC AND OUT TO HEINZE! AND IF YOU HAVE THE TAPE…. LOOK AT WHEN WE SCORE… THEY LOOK TO VERON TO HOLD.. TO CREATE… TO GIVE THEM AN ATTACKING PROWESS.. HE CHOCKED.. BOTTLED IT, WENT TO FIRE A BALL TO MESSI UNDER PRESSURE, LOST IT AND THEY SCORED FROM THAT VERY ATTACK! ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BACK VERON’S CLAIM TO STAY IN THIS NATIONAL TEAM CAN GO AND RIDE A DONKEYS DEAD BRAIN CELL. YES HE WAS A FKING GREAT PLAYER.. BUT NO NO NO.. NOT FKIN NOW! AND DATOLO, WOW THE ONLY FKIN THING HE DONE GOOD ALLLLLLLLLL MATCH WAS HIS WONDER STRIKER, HE WAS SO WASTEFUL HE LOOKED TO SHOOT 95% OF THE TIMES HE GOT THE BALL, ID HAVE DI MARIA OVER HIM ANY DAY!! I CAN SIT HERE AND TYPE SOMETHING ABOUT EVERYONE, BUT FK IT, LET THE FKIN SO CALLED HONOURED AND WORSHIPPED “GOD” LOSE THE EVERY RESPECT HE HAS FROM EVERYONE WHO EVER HELD HIM IN HIGH REGARDS AND GO BACK TO SNIFFING STUFF & EATING HAMBURGERS. HE NEEDS TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND WALK AWAY! MANAGEMENT IS NOT FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Argentuban

    Argentina doesn’t have defenders? Samuel plays at Inter Milan, he called up Burdisso from Inter, why not Samuel? More experience than Otamendi for sure. And Gonzalo Rodriguez? I guess he is a nobody as well? Experience at the NT level is important, why do you ignore his pick of Dominguez?

    Yes, losing De was a big deal. But he could have mitigated the problem by making better choices. Otamendi is just not ready, and now never will be.

    And still, nothing but midgets up front until it’s too late.

  • Argentuban

    We need a draw or better in Asuncion.

    Then it’s Peru in October. We need to win that match – and no, it isn’t a given. They beat Uruguay, we are not playing well defensively at all, and it’s an away game (we have yet to win one).

    One way or the other, to make it, we will finally have to win a game on the road.

  • Addy

    HE COULD HAVE HID HIS PICK!!! WHY NOT START WITH COLOCCINI & BURDISSO I MEAN FOR GOODNESS SAKE THEY R SH!T TOO BUT THEY ARE MORE EXPERIENCED THEN DUMB AND DUMBER WHICH PLAYED IN CENTRAL DEFENCE TODAY! I AGREE… SAMUEL, GONZALO.. EVEN GARAY WAS OVERLOOKED.. THEN THERES CATA DIAZ.. I THINK DEMICHELES IS INJURED? HELL HE SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT AYALA OUT OF RETIREMENT! AND I THINK GABBY MILITO IS OUT FOR SOME TIME STILL?!

  • Argentuban

    Any links to post-game interview with MAradona?

  • a lot

    CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPAAAAAAAAAA MARADONA

  • john

    Looking on the bright side…..cup half full kinda thing

    1. DATOLO’s goal was an absolute cracker.
    2. We are in fourth place.

    Regards

  • Addy13

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!! OFFICIAL SOURCE: http://WWW.SUPERGOL.COM.AR -

    BEFORE THE MATCH AGAINST BRAZIL IN THE TEAM HOTEL, MARADONA GATHERED ALL THE PLAYERS TO SHOW THEM A VIDEO… SOMETHING HE HAD SECRETLY PUT TOGETHER WITH MESSAGES AND GREETINGS FROM FAMILY MEMBERS AND LOVED ONES…

    THIS TOUCHED THE ARGIE PLAYERS IT SAYS AND ALOT WERE SHOCKED AT THE “WEIRD” IDEA… HE ALSO USED A PICTURE OF A SMALL ARGENTINE BOY WHO LIVES POORLY AND EMPASIZED THE JOY IT WOULD BRING TO THAT KID IF THEY BREAT BRAZIL!!

    WHAT A SAD MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY SEE THEIR LOVED ONES AND FAMILY MEMBERS EVERYDAY… THIS IS JUST AN ACT OF DESPERATION AN IDEA HE GOT FROM BARCA WHO DONE THIS B4 THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL AGAINST US! I FIND IT PATHETIC… COMMENTS PLEASE???

  • Sans

    #chupamaradona

  • Ronuro

    CHUPA MARADONA
    #chupamaradona

  • Debasish

    I will make comments in detail later.

    Agree with Golazo, we hoped we will do well, because we are fans. But realistically there was really no chance.

    Someone said, how many times we are going to lose same way against Brazil? Its a great comment. Give me 11 decent players and even I can beat Argentina.

    Let me tell you what I feel honestly.

    We here talk about formations etc. Basically, only way Argentina is going to have a realistic chance ever to win a WC is by having a non-Argentine coach/manager. No Argentine manager/coach understands today’s game. Its perhaps a fact.

  • ken

    I guess they want to wait until the Paraguay
    game. Fine by me. Argentina will not
    qualify for wc2010 even after fielding the player rated number one in the world. What a shame? When you field senile players (Veron)and let mediocrity take center stage, you are abound to fail on the world stage specially if Brazil is your opponent. When will Argentina changes its culture? It continues to field mediocre players. Why didn’t Lisandro lopez pick for this game? He could have been an out and out striker!

    It is all over now or you could wait for the next game.

  • Riquelme

    Addy13, you don’t look any smarter by typing everything CAPS.

  • Riquelme

    I hope Maradona resigns. Even if I don’t expect anything better to happen with another XYZ coach , at least my Riquelme will come back.

  • Addy13

    Riquelme.. your comments aren’t very smart!

  • LOLOLOL

    BRASILLLLLLLLLLLLL!

  • ken

    ONLY a foreign coach can bring the best out of the Argentine
    players; time and time over the best players are not fielded. Today’s game
    was no different. Then why should we expect a different result against Paraguay coming up in the next few days?

  • Joseph

    Maradona is ruining his national side

    -He brings back martin palermo after 9 years out of the national team and leaves out an ever improving Higuain who can also add some edge in air play

    -He plays messi, tevez and aguero at once, all of course getting in each other’s turf.

    -Brazil’ 3rd goal came from a break when argentina had 9 players attacking,it looked tactically pitiful.

    At half time i heard maradona tell his players “vamos vamos vamos…esshooos marcan uno, nosotro treshh” “come on come on come on, they score one, we score three” irony at its peak lol

    Nothing really more to add other than kaka was perfect today, a unique breed that makes the difficult seem easy.

  • http://www.idontwebsite.com.br rick

    #chupamaradona

  • john

    Bang on Joseph…….including your observation on Kaka.

    This very public humiliation may be a blessing in disguise as both the AFA and the divine one himself Maradona must now make the necessary changes to both player selection and tactics. If previously they were to stubborn, incompetent, blinded by old loyalties (possibly all three) then this is without a doubt the wake up call.

    The media and fans will ensure the lesson has been learned. So again I choose to look at it as the cup being half full………and let there be no doubt we are going to be in S Africa in 2010

    regards

  • john

    and remember it could always be worse…..just ask a Portugal Fan…..so stay positive :)

    regards

  • gino

    Man, i’m drunk and disappointed for all this ruin, and I’m not even Argentine, I’m Mexican but I love Argentina ever since I was 7 years old and never looked back. At first I thought by having Maradona as coach it would motivate their players to be better. But after seeing the selections he’s made for the national team, I would shake my head knowing that he had made a mistake after mistake. We have Messi, and other great players, so I ask myself what is damn wrong with this team, we have the talent to qualify easy and still this happens. I want to cry, but I think once the air clears, Maradona has to go, I’m sorry but really we need to win and qualify. We need Higuin, Cambiasso, Samuel, Crespo, Aimar, Lucho, I mean it’s there, but why does he still make these selections, fuck man i’m drunk and sad as hell

  • nephita

    #chupamaradona

    Chupa argentinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • Brigie

    I agree with you gino my gosh they could have hired Simeone I would be happy but Bati wants to coach them until Maradona is done so fool resigned and let Bat lead them already.I have been following them since i was 11 years old I’m 24 now and I still feel Argentina is my side I would not give up on them but still they need a striker like Bati and it was poor not to play Lisandro today very poor I miss Aimar 2 and PLAY HIGUAIN FOR GOD’S SAKE !

  • ArgeFan

    what a day haa ,, we lost :( ,,i’m not suprised ,i wished if i’ve seen the game at least to see how the player did

    anyone have the game , the goals ? checked youtube but its not there yet

    cheers

  • ken

    Thanks MS. Brigie,
    well said. To reiterate we need Aimar, Lisandro, Aimar and Riquelme all at once. What a loser team do we have now? Pity!

  • ken

    John,

    Is there a possibility that you really really want Argentina to miss wc2010? this is the tone I am gathering from your vibes…

  • noori

    We will not be in 2010WC. If we lose at home, how can we win away? There is no way to come back. We are loosers. Now wait for four more years to watch our team in WC. WE have to accept it that we are no where near to Brazil. Its a shame, a man who won WC for Argentina, is now doing his best to……………………………………….

  • Tuhin

    Brazil 3: Argentina 1
    GOOD Job Diego Maradona….What a game you have given us…. You gave Brazil the chance to crush us

  • http://www.8balls.com.br Cleiton

    chuuuppppaaamaradonaaaaa

  • http://www.8balls.com.br Cleiton

    HAHAHAH SE FUDEU!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Tuhin

    Veron: SUPER FLOP & SUPER SLOW.
    Zanetti: Tried his best as usual.
    Hinze: Well. he could have done better.
    The other defenders: SUPER SUCKs….Diego is blind or dreaming playing some average defender against such team like Brazil. Even Bangladesh has better defender then Otamendi.
    Andujar: Not so good…i am missing Goycochea. :(

    I am speech less…………………. :(

  • Tuhin

    Brazil was far better than Argentina today..that is a FACT.

  • Messay

    “We have to go to Paraguay to see if we can win the three points,” Maradona told reporters, looking ahead to Wednesday’s next qualifier in Asuncion.

    “It’s going to be tough, complicated and all the more so after today’s defeat.

    “To lose to Brazil is always bad and we had hopes of winning this match to get near the World Cup.”
    – Maradona

    I miss pekerman and aimar. I miss the discipline the team had under pekerman. I miss the unity the team had under pekerman. i miss the on-field organization the team had under pekerman. I miss the movement without-the ball the team had under pekerman. I MISS THE TEAM PEKERMAN CREATED

  • Rahman

    It is nice go see a Bangladesh flag at this blog. I am also from Bangladesh and I can predict how many Argentine fans are crying inside. I will not be surprised if 1-2 crazy argi fans suicide when they will know that Argentina will not be in SA.
    Maradona is destroying his remaining fame in the history of football. I don’t understand how dumb a person could be! He, who was worshiped like a God in his country, now is being humiliated by everybody. He is such a dumb to realize it.

  • Tuhin

    @ Rahman: Hey nice to hear from a fellow countryman.
    @ Rest of the Heart broken fans: Diego still dream about paraguay match….with this team my prediction 2-2 draw….and i am having a tingling sense may 2010 is not ours to reach as long as Maradona pick player with “football talent” rather player with “kiss ass talent”

  • VAMOS_MESSI

    i don’t know where we can go to wcup 2010 or not.So sad.We need at least crespo.Messi and tevez is a clash combination.I have already look since Coco basile take over from Pekerman.Messi and tevez cannot combind together.The game will be interested but don’t have a goal.Look time wcup 2006 we draw against Netherlands.The game very interesting but don’t have a goal.Andujar not a gud goalkeeper.At least we must try back Romero.

  • HOAXoneder

    We need a player to run the mid and bring the ball to the attacking forwards, Damian Manso or Pablo Aimar whom I wonder why he has yet to be called. We need Crespo or Pipita Higuain in that 9 area – at least they give us some air game for headers. Our defense sucked – where is Samuel? Im almost at the verge of asking for Ayala back cos it’s looking so bad back there.

    Im really starting to think that Brasil really gets in these players (Argentina) head….they see the Verde Amarella and panic insues cos Brasil sticks to their game plan and executes it perfectly. On the other hand, Argentina comes out attacking, making way to many passes and one mistake they make…..and pow Brasil counters and scores or gets a free kick near the goal. We need speed and we need discipline. We need a mid player that can create and will demand the ball…..Veron is good but too old for this team, this should be it for him, just not up for international play anymore.

    Messi and Tevez cannot play together. Maybe let Messi start at Midfield – if they are gonna mark him then it will free up our forwards – when he passes if they mark the forwards then it will free up Messi as he runs without the ball.

    I was almost begging for Gago over Veron by the 2nd half…..thought I was insane for a min there.

    BTW Joseph Diego in the tunnel coming out to play the 2nd half said “Vamos que metemos una y les metemos 3″ = “Cmon we get one in and we will get 3 more in”
    In other words saying if we get one goal the others will come in as well.

  • jean-jacques

    i would say that m so sad though i was expecting that kind of result!! same old stories, brasil marked messi with four players and stupid clown in charge did not have an answer to that , same old stories brasil picked five yellow in first half playing so ugly and yet again we did not have a response. i would say given the team selection, it would have been very difficult to have a plan b. once again we played without a target man upfront (still wondering why tevez was given the node over milito and lisandro lopez was is in very hot form!!! might be that milito was injured why for GOD sake they did not start lichacha!!! i said it number of times shorties against brazil will just not work as they will kick them over and over!!! why to play otamendi and dominguez, why jesus christ, pareja is a way better, burdisso even if he is not good but he is more experienced than otamendi and this dominguez: still very much convinced that a diamond formation with the right CB (burdisso and pareja) and messi behind the licha and milito, tevez or aguero the result would have been much more different. aimar is back on form zarate is there , higuain, etc … until a massive campaign against diego and AFA starts, albiceleste will not qualify… and this campaign better starts now!!! things are so much trivial, i don’t what is the head of this clown in charge. please brings el cholo, batista, lavolpe or … bianchi whom m sure will never settle with grondona. may GOD bless and save argentina, a nation which has undergone terrible disappointments over the years in spite of producing some of the best young players of this generation

  • skywalker

    amid the doom and gloom, we still control our own destiny and if, and it’s a big if, we beat Paraguay, we should be sitting pretty – for the depths we have sunk to, I can’t imagine us not beating Peru in the next round and we should be ok. Paraguay is the crunch game, a draw or better and we still can go into October with fate in our hands.

    Listening to the locals, the one good thing is that the media finally and people are finally turning on Maradona. The reporters and media finally stopped their ridiculous genuflection in front of Maradona and started to ask a few more direct questions. Even Clarin was far more critical than before, especially on the defence. The point of all this I hope is that it gets Maradona out of his netherworld state and get him to at least call up the best players available. And hopefully they will get us through to the WC with the likes of Higuain, Gonzalo, Garay/Samuel and Di Michi returning. Not really a big fan of Di Michi, but I can’t believe just how sorely he was missed.

  • http://www.seethecup.com/2010-world-cup/update-world-cup-tickets/ Bruno Romani

    chupa Argentina! See you in 2014! (if you manage to qualify, of course)

  • Rune

    It hurts so much to lose at home to Brazil. The game was VERY easy to predict, like always against Brazil. Set-pieces and counter attacks. BANG! Our defence was terrible in the sitations that led to 0-1 and 0-2. We know that they are incredibly dangerous at set-pieces, and it should be possible to defend properly in those situation in such a big game. I also think Andujar should have done better with the second goal.
    Tevez paired with Messi….we’ve said it so many times…this will NEVER work. A terrible choice by Diego. And like most of us know deep in our hearts, Veron is not the future for this team…he does some nice things, and some stupid things, like Veron always does, but he is not the man we need!! Messi was actually fantastic for big parts of the game…if you look at some of the things he did, how he dribbled past so many players time after time, it’s obvious that he’s the best player in the world. BUT he very seldom gets in to scoring positions in these type of games for the NT. And I believe it’s all down to a complete lack of game plan from the so called NT coach. There is no plan at all!!! Just give the ball to Veron or Messi and pray for the best. This was the big test for Messi….the public in Arg do not love Messi as much as others yet…the reason is of course that he is just half as good as he is in Barca when he plays for our NT. Here was his chance to get into their hearts, the game even played in his home town…but he had no chance really…..There are no tactics, no game plan, no MOVEMENT WITHOUT THE BALL.
    Datolo was good, great goal, worked very hard. Heinze also worked very hard, I’ll give him that, but my God he is a very limited player…and Diego even played the poor guy in the wrong position.

    I hope some of you guys do understand the situation now, like I have been saying for 6 months now, we are in deep shit when it comes to qualifying for the WC. We were very lucky with the other results yesterday, and now we have to win 2 out of the last 3 games the way I see it. That will be very hard. In Paraguay we always struggle, same in Uruguay. And, like Argentuban said…..I am now also even not sure if this team will beat Peru at home. This team is under immense pressure for the next month or so, and I really doubt that they have what it takes to make it, with such weak leadership and without any game plan what so ever.
    Now it’s here, the nightmare some of us expected. My God, how I miss Pekerman now…even if he did some mistakes he was a man with a mission, with a plan, with a brain.

  • marindrianto

    It will be my nightmare till this Wednesday…. Any official comment or press conference from Diego after the match?

  • Felipe

    I may get some heat for this but I though Veron played very, very well. From what I expected he played far better. The first 20 minutes of that game were beyond anything I expected from THAT 11. I agree Rune, I was worried when Argentina were losing points at home to Paraguy and Ecuador last year and away to Peru under Basile. The last thing the team needed was to have to win in Paraguay and Uruguay. On the plus side, I don’t think either team could have held up the way Brazil did last night under the Argentina pressure but on the negative, Maradona’s squad selection was so poor how many players will be 100% Wednesday? Veron played well, hardly put a pass wrong for 60 minutes then, surprise, he was gassed. Of course he was gassed: he’s 35 and has nagging injuries. I’ve been saying this for ages you can’t rely on such players. I would be amazed if he’s fit for Paraguay and who has Maradona taken to replace him? Gago, who is not fully fit himself!
    Alot of you guys have been asking for a while why Tevez is in the first 11 and the reason I think you ask that is because….you’re right. He shouldn’t. He’s a very good player but, like Messi, he needs to play off a striker not as a striker. He always has his back turned to goal so when he gets the ball he has to turn 180 degrees which takes that exta second. A good number 9 is already on his way to goal so that crucial extra second is on their side. Tevez always seems to be never fit as well. He’s 25 and always seems gassed after 60 minutes.
    And Milito? I don’t care what anybody says or how many goals he scores in Italy, his style is too European and he does not mesh with the rest of the team. The best options for number 9 for 2010 for Argentina are and always have been (in no particular order) Higuain, Cavenaghi and Lisandro Lopez.
    Yeah, Veron’s freekicks and corners were terrible but pointless anyway. Who is going to head the ball against that defence? We kept playing it wide to Heinze who kept crossing (as was his job) but our strkiers were 5′5 against 6ft monsters: who wins?
    But Argentina controlled the ball and if it wasn’t for the careless first half goals it could have been different. Brazil did little, actually. The 2 goals were gifts, absolute gifts. I’m not gonna claim to know how to do it properly but I have to ask how can an attacker at a free kick have such space like luisao did?
    As Addy said, Datolo’s goal was great (and he seems a better option than Jonas in that position for what it’s worth now) but he wasted loads of possession and opportunities to shoot and his shots went nowhere.
    As much as that game was predicatble, though, who wasn’t surprised by the first 20 minutes and Argentina’s general play? That was better than I thought, actually (cos I really wasn’t expecting much). Maradona tried to prove a point not worth proving in choosing Dominguez and Otamendi, as well as to be this Peronist figure who gives the poor (i.e the local league players on not much money) the opportunity to impress and make money moves abroad. Very nice and noble of him. Umm, but it was the World Cup Qualifier against Braziland Argentina cannot afford stupid mistakes and that is what happened. You’re going against a team YOU KNOW (As all of us here did, so what did the coaches expect?) will rely on physical power at set pieces and counter attacks: that was and always is Brazil’s tactic against Argentina what you need then is at least powerful, experienced defenders. Say what you will about Coloccini but with what Maradona had chosen, he was a far better option.
    Anyway, I could continue but I’ll stop posting. The biggest miracle was that I didn’t destroy all the furniture inmy house at full time. I’m getting better. Let’s hope Argentina do for Wednesday. 3 points there and I’ll forget Brazil. Seriously guys, just qualify and we’ll worry about the rest later.

  • Felipe

    Oh, and for my sins I watch alot of European qualifying as well and I gotta say that he standard in South America is far, far higher (hell Argentina with the speed and precision they moved the ball and Messi’s dribbles late on would have smashed most of those teams). I assure you, a WC winner next summer on neutral ground like in Africa will not be European. Yeah Spain look good (and are by far the best Euro team) but the quality of their qualifying groups is so much lower than in South America it’s barely worth comparing.
    If I wasn’t so mad for Argentina and was a neutral, the bRazil game would have blown me away for passion, hard tackles, speed of movement, precision, skill…

  • AD

    As long as Maradona is in charge, Argentina is going nowhere. shame really, so many good players around.

    and now people are blaming Messi for the loss? more shame! Even at Barca, the coach doesn’t wholly put the responsibility on Messi’s shoulders, and I am sure Argentina have enough players with the necessary qualities to compliment Messi. he should join Spain nt instead after all half the Barca squad are there.

  • MaxiLopez

    Nice to see the regulars back.

    First thing I want to say is that many people here, who appear suddenly (or not…) when games are played, aren’t argentinos. They laugh when we lose. They laugh about Maradona’s records. They are not fans of Argentina. Yesterday, true fans like GINO, JEAN JACQUES, RUNE or ALBO were sad in front of their TV. They weren’t laughing and writing “HAHAHA” on this blog.

    For the first time, I’m not going to comment about the game. We all mentioned what we were afraid of before it, and things were like a nightmare becoming true (Zanetti never pressing his wing, unexperienced or not skilled central defence, Mascherano alone in midfield asked to do miracles like (poor) Messi upfront, individual Tevez). This game shows how difficult it is for us without great De Michelis. Read the Copa 07 final analysis of the regulars, it applies for yesterday’s game. AFA’s coach don’t correct their mistakes (Basile, Maradona). They are stupid, there is no other word.

    A positive thing is that gentlemen such as Cambiasso, Lucho, Palacio, Saviola, AIMAR, Samuel are at home and don’t have to face this other humiliation from AFA.

    DEBASISH, I have a question for you. How many times will people have to say that there are many good Argentinean coaches in the country that will never be named by Grondona for political reasons? AFA doesn’t name ethical coaches. Do you understand? Or not?

    JOSEPH,
    Maradona: “they put 1, we put 3”. I’m not surprised at all. He’s just Basile #2.

    MESSAY,
    I miss Pekerman too, obviously. More than ever before. He can bring Scaloni back if he wants :(

    RIQUELME,
    “It looks to me like Augero, Tevez and Messi are playing in 3 different games”.
    Totally agree. They prefer to dribble in their own game, especially Tevez & Aguero.

    RUNE,
    What you wrote is pure logic. I still believe we’ll qualify. The 5th place is easy to get. Didn’t you feel that the referee was a bit with us yesterday, I don’t know?

    Prepare yourselves to cry even more now. Ready to see Palermo and Schiavi VS Paraguay? Or is it too early?

  • MaxiLopez

    Fantastic post FELIPE. Reading your text was like seeing the game through your eyes.

  • Rune

    MaxiLOpez:
    Yeah, I agree we were lucky with some decisions by the ref. Masch should have had a yellow early for instance, that’s why Kaka lost it when Lucio got booked. Some other things also went our way. And we should be very happy that Peru and Colombia won. Don’t forget that the 5th place will take us into a doubble fixture against probably Mexico. I do NOT want that!!

    I also have to mention Otamendi’s work when Luis Fabiano scored his second…..it was WERY obvious that Kaka would play that pass, terrible positioning by Otamendi. Terrible. He should have dropped back right away. Otamendi is not up for this high level.

  • skywalker

    Felipe, I see where you’re coming from but you sort of answered your own theory of why Argentina ‘played so well’ b/c Brazil set up shop to play counter, defensive and physical football; and that allowed Argentina to play in a manner that looked pleasing but really without any substance to bear. You say that we’d have run circles against a Euro team, well, it’ll be 2002 all over again. They’ll employ the same tactics Brazil used. We keep pouring it in, and the bigger, taller teams will head it away to safety time and time again.

    Dunga was under no illusions. He knew he could afford to give Argentina the ball, let them work it around the periphery because he knew they had no one to really threaten his team inside the 6 yard box. And his MF and Defenders maintained gap integrity at all times ensuring there was no way through. Then add the height factor and it was all in Brazil’s favour. Also, you know it’s a Dunga team when they took all those technical fouls in the outer areas so basically killing our flow and forcing us to heave it in which was utterly useless. All the possession doesn’t count for much if you can’t do anything with it (Yes, you can point to Maxi and Milito’s miss), but this was the chance Brazil took because they knew our Defence would falter and give us the gifts you talked about.

    Dunga made it very clear after the Copa: We played defensive soccer because because we can man handle them over the park and physically wear them out leading to one of 3 things a) we pounce on them on a set piece and use our height and brute force vs Argentina b) There is too much of a Gap between the lines and once we’re past the MF, we can counter all day long. sure it will happen only 3/4 times a half, but each time it’s a golden opportunity c) Defence (wingbacks) cheats too much and too slow to recover (Heinze) and we’ll catch them out of position. All 3 happened yesterday.

    Given the above, Dunga was all for Argentina to keep the ball and play pass the parcel. It lead to nothing. I wouldn’t say we played any semblance of football whatsoever. One alarming trend is that whenever we’re down, Messi tends to become very indivualistic and tries to take on the whole opposition on his own. He badly needs a #9 in front and a play maker (Aimar, Roman) who’ll play on his terms of give and go when he’s making a run.

    Goes without saying, we got out coached once again. It’s really not been difficult to out coach Basile and Maradona. One has only a plan A, the other has no plan. just terrible.

    But again, the more I think about it, I feel we’ll beat Paraguay and be on our way. I really think we’ll be fine. The Peru game excites me b/c I feel we’ll finally get some of the people we’ve wanted in La Seleccion for a long time like Higuain, etc…

  • Felipe

    Yep, very true Skywalker. It’s amazing all the talk in the build up and still Argentina don’t learn a thing from past meetings.
    You’re right Maxi (and thanks for the kind words): it is sad what has happened to this generation of players and they are definitely ‘down’ at the moment but this group (if you include the players that don’t get picked) are so talented you always feel they can pick themselves up in the blink of an eye if they just get the right guidance.
    I too feel confident about the Paraguay game, skywalker, which is odd when you think about it. For what it’s worth, I think 4 points will seal 5th place and 6 points 3rd or 4th. Argentina need at least a point from Paraguay, though. As comfortable as the Peru game should be on paper, if Argentina go in with 2 losses and HAVE to beat Peru then the game becomes a tight, niggly,bad tempered, high pressure game where a long shot, counter, mistake etc can go in for Peru and then it’s despair. Going in with 1 or 3 points means the team can relax a little and get the 3 points they so need.

  • Brasileiro

    CHUUUUUUPA MARADONA

  • Gabriel

    It was not a game, but a lesson of humility…
    Next time maradona will stay quiet :~
    #chupamaradona

  • MaxiLopez

    Yes SKYWALKER. The press may put pressure on Maradona. Maybe he won’t afford himself to call unexperienced local defenders or grand fathers. I hope the medias are going to influence the NT staff: Samuel, Lopez, Cambiasso, Gonzalo, Higuain,… But don’t dream too much. The guy is stubborn, doesn’t care about the pressure and most of all, the medias are under control of Grondona.

    Maybe Maradona will reach the incredible number of 50 players used in a year. A record. We will never prepare WC.

    Forgot to say: yesterday, at 26 & 44 th minutes, true #9 Cavenaghi would have scored, believe me I know him by heart. When are we going to have a pure striker in this team?

  • procrastinator

    Brazil played in second gear, never really bothered too much. I don’t think Argentina will run rings around any top class team. no team can do that. it’s stupid arrogant thinking. Brazil play counter-attack, because they’re not so arrogant, they know that nowadays it’s much tougher against top opponents…

    argentina need a change of philosophy, sooner rather than later, they will have to play a more expansive, powerful game. they have the players, just not the philosophy.

  • petro

    The average height of the team is???

  • Felipe

    Oh come on: Brazil were never in ’second gear’ or ‘didn’t care too much’: it’s not like Argentina were that bad or Brazil are that good. It was stupid defensive mistakes brought on by ridiculous defensive team selection that cost Argentina that game. The first two goals were completely avoidable, what would brazil have done then? Brazil played to the best of their abilities and in the end it was the inexperience of the players and the ignorance of the coach that cost them the game.

  • procrastinator

    seriously, any objective appraisal of that performance would cut through all the endless Messi dribbles and the vast amount of possession with the simple truth that when Brazil pressed, they scored. that they didn’t press so much, that only Kaka was pissed off about the lack of a yellow card for Mascherano’s endless string of fouls … it’s indicative of a team that didn’t really play with real intensity.

    we’ve seen what Brazil do when they play for all the marbles, they foul a lot more (Copa 2007), they play a little higher up, they counter more often … this time round, they were going through the motions.

    and, naturally, it made Argentina look better as a result.

    Argentina were/are BAD, that’s the whole point. they aren’t a team, they don’t play to any plan or even have anything like an attacking unit (Messi in central midfield with Veron!?) with Tevez doing his headless chicken thing and Maxi anonymous and Datolo thinking he’s going to compile a YouTube video (shooting and dribbling incredibly selfishly, at any opportunity)… if this isn’t BAD FOOTBALL, what the hell is?

    honestly, you don’t really believe that what Argentina did would get any other result than a defeat, against an England, a Holland, a Spain or even a Germany, do you?

  • procrastinator

    I really enjoy watching Argentina, I’ve got fond memories of their matches, I’ve followed the travails of many of their outstandingly gifted players across the European leagues. I even used to watch the Argentine top division when it was broadcast here.

    What I’m saying is not malicious, it’s just a retreat from fantasy back into reality. Argentina are not upto the sum of their parts, they have not done anything worthy of note in decades… it’s not the players, it’s the philosophy/structure of management.

    the idea that Riquelme can be the focal-point of a team’s strategy, that was utterly absurd… yet Pekerman persisted. it ONLY worked against WEAK teams. Basile made it worse, playing without any other options at all. Maradona got rid of Riquelme, then failed to come up with another system.

    to think that little Barcelona squeeze out far more performance from Messi than Argentina do, it’s just absurd. Aguero doesn’t even look like a footballer, when he plays for Argentina, more like Filippo Inzaghi’s younger, fatter brother :| Diego Milito looks like Julio Cruz! and Mascherano seems like a parody of the English stereotype of a cheating, fouling, latin player (totally unfair, of course – given England’s numerous foulers).

    it’s just very very disappointing that Argentina lack confidence and self-belief and have descended to pride and arrogance (the poor man’s substitute for achievement and substance).

  • john

    procrastinator………..

    very well said and I agree with you. I don’t want to write to much because I want the attention on your posts and for everyone to read them.

    Just a quick warning…..be prepared for a barrage of name for simply cutting through the bull and getting to the truth.

    Regards,

  • iaj

    If you look at the teams that have won the world cups since 1990, the teams were very good on one or both of the following two areas:
    #1. A solid defense.
    #2. one or more poachers.
    Germany in 1990 had #2, Brazil in ‘94 and ‘02 had #2 and also reasonably good defense, France in ‘98 and Italy in ‘06 both were very good in the #1 area.
    Current Argentina side that Maradona is playing is not good in any of these two areas. That’s sad, but that’s the truth.

  • anand

    I would not mind missing out on this world cup and wait for 2014 with better structure and a complete team. It sounds cruel, but the whole system needs to get shredded down, Mafioso need to be dethroned and youth systems revoked…more importantly there need to be a respect for the national team.

  • Felipe

    I don’t think what you’re saying is malicious at all: I agree with most of it. I think you overrate the European teams, though: trust me that Argentina team last night (or any night) would have beaten the Slovenia’s, Greece’s, Latvia’s of the World which is what the Euro teams face. That’s what I was saying: the standard of qualification is much higher.
    Hey, check my post: I agree alot with what you’re saying and I know the team is devoid of direction and a flowing, attacking direction. I thought last night’s performance was better than I expected: it was, I didn’t expect much, maybe a messy (no pun intended) scrappy 1-0 at best. When Argentina make an attempt to minimise mistakes (like they did against Brazil last year) then Brazil don’t have much answers (and that game was in Brazil.)
    Who knows what this team will do in one-off games. I know with the right direction they can win against all of them. But remember, these European teams would be up against a team and style they are not used to playing. Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia, Uruguay etc have played Argentina 4 or 5 times in the last 5 years; they know what to expect and prepare in a way for them that Argentina don’t prepare for them.
    It is a bad time (as I said in my post). Argentina haven’t done something of note, as you say, at senior level since 93: for the record, Holland and England haven’t either and Spain hadn’t until last year. International football’s main tournament is every four years: time can fly by. But they have won at youth level, they have won big friendly games away, and the last two Olympic tournaments. I know that is small fry but it shows with the right direction that success can be attained. You’re right though: this direction will not lead to such.
    Let’s think about this. In the aggregate score of the last 4 qualifiers is 3-11. Argentina, playing messi, Aguero and Tevez have not scored. The three goals have been a deflected long shot from Lucho, a long shot from Datolo and a tap in from a corner by Cata Diaz. In those 4 games Argentina have conceded 11 goals. So yes, you’re absolutely right: a team that cannot score and concedes lots and lots of goals is definitely playing bad football.

  • Felipe

    Just re-reading my post: that’s terrible English. I apologise.

  • Argentuban
  • day1star

    u know when i saw the team list, i was pretty appalled, i said b4 messi and tevez upfront will get you no goals, but it’s not just that we didn’t get any goals, but the defending on set pieces was atrocious. No marking, so much room, it was horrible.
    Veron has no place in the team, and neither do 2 inexperienced central defenders, for a game of this importance, it was disgraceful.
    No-one actually making runs behind the brazilian defence, how were we gonna score? Absolutely rubbish set pieces, the same pathetic mistakes we made against Brazil in the copa final, and we repeated them again yesterday.
    I feel so sad, we have a plethora of talent at our disposal and it’s being wasted by an idiot.
    U know y tevez, messi and aguero take to trying to dribble their way through the whole brazilian team, it’s wat some players do when they really don’t want to lose the game. U can’t blame them it’s the coach’s fault for having no real idea or plan of tactics.

  • day1star

    felipe, just to correct you in the last 4 qualifiers, aguero has only played in 2 halves, one agianst colombia and the other yesterday, he did not play against bolivia or for that matter ecuador, so, it would be more correct if you said messi and tevez and didn’t include aguero.

  • Rune

    Felipe:
    I very much agree with your posts. Great to read you.

  • Argentuban

    Am I the only one who noticed every forward had to keep coming back to get the ball? There was absolutely no service from the midfield. None. Sot he forwards would come back, then have to be up against all 4 defenders, and some. Just horrendous.

    It’s one thing for Argentina to have a suspect defense, which has often been the case, but to come to a day where the midfield is so poor – I just never thought that could ever happen to the Argentine national team.

  • day1star

    it’s the formation, wasn’t right, we should have played 4 5 1 or 4 2 3 1, would have suited our players, i said b4 the match too, that’s how all our youth teams play with a diamond formation up top, most players have played that system, also suits mascherano, and gives us a more stable defence.

  • skywalker

    Argentuban.. thanks for that link.. that was probably the best article I have read on Goal.com thus far. finally a writer who has actually watched the team in question that he’s writing about. I was going to talk about the 4-4-2 in depth but the article pointed out its flaws quite nicely for our brand of football… I keep muttering the words ‘what a shame’ over and over again in my mind.

    I so want this to be like Brazil when they won WC 2002 – they were terrible in the qualifiers till they fired their coach and got on song towards the end of the campaign and never looked back.

  • fab

    remember grondona had to be involved in the player selections of our NT during the pekkerman yrs

    i wonder why not now…i think they just wanna appease the locals who are fans of the local tourneys and players

  • Argentuban

    Yes, a 4-2-3-1 is what we need. Especially if we called up a healthy Cambiasso and the center backs we keep regurgitating. Heinze and Zanetti are looking very, very old though. Hopefully, Monzon gets healthy. Don’t know who is worth a shit on the other side though.

  • Argentuban

    Ys, but for it to be like 2002, we have to fire the manager. That will almost assuredly not happen.

  • procrastinator

    you know, Argentina have every chance of qualifying still. just get rid of Maradona and don’t go back to the Riquelme-team idea. that was never gonna work, however much Pekerman wanted and wished it to.

    Argentina need to be like Flash, fast, fluid and utterly dangerous. Superman might have the big name but, Flash kills him. Germany are Green Lantern, of course and Spain are … umm Wonder Woman… (Italy are the annoying Martian Manhunter and England … Power Girl!).

    Messi, even playing in the hole, with Higuain playing as a CF and Aguero playing as a support… brilliant attacking unit.
    have Aimar play as a Central Midfielder, with Mascherano behind him, DiMaria to one side and Zanetti to the other… when Higuain pulls off a defender, Aguero runs outside of the player, Messi can then pass forward (Higuain), diagonally (Aguero) or back (Aimar) in which case he then runs passed the defender, giving Aimar 3 targets and disorientating the defenders… wotcha say? :?

  • Maradona

    #chupamaradona

  • Argentuban

    All great. All what I’ve wanted for a year now, but:

    1) Maradona will never get fired or resign. He’s too full of himself to resign, and Grondona won’t fire him.

    2) Higuain and Aimar have to be CALLED UP to the NT. See #1 for that.

    I fear we will be in 5th place come Thursday.

  • Argentuban

    Sadly, I noticed we could easily be in SIXTH place come Thursday. If that happens, we are surely dead.

  • petro

    Make Bilardo the coach…
    1) Don’t allow goals anymore..play like italians..in defense.
    2) Use #9 for striker role. Don’t use Tevez and Aguero at the same time.
    3) Bring in more attacking midfield..drop Mascherano a bit down..
    4) Team play is more important than individual skills.
    5) Players need to be young to survive european opponents.

    Last..time to say Win at any cost…

  • procrastinator

    I think that the AFA should use yesterday’s good fortune (#5 and #6 dropping points) to immediately sack Maradona.

    there’s no point in delaying it, he’s not going to improve, he’s too old and too used to being worshipped… let him go to pasture, like Pele (who he IS better than).

    Batista might want the job, provided he accepts that he cannot bring Riquelme back (hideously slow and predictable player).

    Argentina will qualify, imo… but the chances would improve dramatically, if Maradona were to be sacked, today, now. right. this. minute.

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    argentuban, mark my words we will beat pataguay.
    mark my words maradona is here to stay untill 2011.
    Higuain and zarate should get a call, also lucho gonzalez. a couple months ago i thought that our problems would reside around our goal keeper and lack of defenders. but unfortunatly we have problems all over the field.
    Tevez should never start! I repeat, tevez is a sub. I love him, but he is not effective as a starting striker.
    Argentuban, I have been saying it for months: we should play 4-2-3-1. u probably thought the same thing over the last few monts… this isnt news to us.

    no more veron… he is done… please, i am fuckin beggin u maradona, no more veron
    no more heinze
    please dont ever play dominguez or otamendi again….losers
    maxi rod should not have been subbed out. i felt very sad for him.

    we have alot of great players overseas, we just need a good general to wrap up a good squadron for the remainder of our campaign.

  • procrastinator

    maxi was playing?

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    maxi played in the first half

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?
  • carrie

    Can some explain this to me because I do not get it. Why wouldnt AFA fire Maradona? Is he more important than us being in WC? seriously someone give me an answer

  • procrastinator

    I was being facetious. Maxi just wasn’t doing anything. neither was Datolo, but at least he was trying to get on YouTube. Maxi was about as much use as a tampon to a cabbage.

  • Argentuban

    Tevez is not up to snuff as a starter, for sure.

    I’d rather have Higuain or Zarate.

    I’d play a 4-2-3-1 with Milito up front alone, Messi, Higuain, Aimar in the 3, Mascherano and Cambiasso in the back midfield.

    In defense, I’d definitely use center backs like Samuel, Gonzalo, De. I have no idea what to do on for left and right back. We are lacking there in experienced talent. Any ideas?

    Zanetti and Heinze are no good anymore (if Heinze ever was).

  • Argentuban

    Because the AFA doesn’t care and they want the masses to be sated. The masses still worship him.

  • Argentuban

    LOL@ procrastinator’s YouTube comment. Yeah, Datolo was less interested in being a midfielder than making a highlight reel. For that one kick he had 3 dozen horrendous kicks and touches.

    Di Maria should be off suspension for Peru, no? He and Aimar together would be sweet. They have good chemistry.

  • skywalker

    From the Brazil blog and well said by Duvel: I’ll let the Argentina fans discuss what exactly happened to them last night. I will say this…playing a world class opponent like Brazil requires a world class team. Argentina certainly has this type of team in their talent pool, unfortunately that wasn’t the team that was called for last night.

    It seems like everyone except our coaching staff know the score. In the Tuesday Morning Quarterback world we live in where fans tend to second guess coaches and players ad nauseum, and as such, I do have a fair amount of sympathy for coaches at the highest level that are subject to a torrid amount of verbal abuse. But this, what’s going on with our coaches is absolutely out of control. It’s reached such comical levels with our people that I’m aghast as to what to make of all this. It shouldn’t take rank amateurs on the internet to be able to diagnose the problems that exist with our team that a highly paid staff of football lifers shouldn’t be able to deduce. I just don’t know what to say anymore.

    It’s terrible to watch Bielsa take Chile, with quarter as much talent as we have, lap us during the qualifiers. And to think we ran this guy out of town. However, I believe the lingering resentment from the Brazil game will have a spill over effect which will help us beat Paraguay some way some how, but that Peru game, I hope as hell we start to shape up and right the ship.

    We are Argentina, we should be worried about whether we’ll make it to the WC semis, not wondering if we’ll qualify or not.

  • AUDIE UK 2009 GIZZA

    to start with who would maradona call up if people here are so bright who do you call last time i checked there’s no centre backs to call there all injured (FIRST TO SAY SAMUAL GETS A PUNCH HIS A WASTE OF TIME)

    i feel for diego what those 2 centre backs did last night was beyond belief the handed brazil 2 goals not 1 but 2 free goals the second one was the most shocking all they had to do was put it out of play instead of watching like statues

    both centrebacks play together at club level THIS MAKES IT EVEN MORE SHOCKING AS SURLY THEY KNOW EACH OTHER AND TALK COMMUNICATE IN GAMES

    SO WHY DID THEY BOTH DISAPPEAR WEN ALL THEY NEEDED TO DO WAS PLAY THERE POSITIONS

    IF A BALL GOES TO THE RIGHT TOWARDS A ATTACKING PLAYER AND ALL THE CENTRBACK NEEDS TO DO IS BLOCK …SO WHY DID HE RUN LEFT HE SEEN THE BALL COMING HE SEEN BRAZILS NUMBER 4 GOING FOR THAT BALL SO INSTEAD OF A SIMPLE BLOCK

    HE ACTUALLY RAN AWAY FROM PLAY TOWARDS HENZIE “”"”"”"”"IN THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE DIRECTION “”"”"”"”"”"” BOTH CENTRBACKS DISAPPEARED AT VERY VERY VERY BASIC PLAY MOMENTS…….

    HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN WEN YOU PLAY TOGETHER AT CLUB LEVEL I GARANTEE YOU THEY HAVE NEVER DONE THAT AT THERE CLUB EVER NO NO NO THEY RESERVE THERE STUPIDITY FOR THE NATATION SIDE BEYOND BELIEF

    I BET YOU THIS NETHER OF THOSE CENTRBACKS WILL DO ANYTHING SO STUPID AT THERE CLUB ALL SEASON

    SO WHY DO IT IN A NATIONAL SHIRT DISGRACE

    MESSI MUST WONDER AT TIMES WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON THESE GOALS ARE NOT REAL GOALS THERE UTTER STUPIDITY FROM INDIVIDUALS AT BASIC MOMENTS

    THE 3RD GOAL AGAIN ONE OF THE TWO JOKE CENTRBACKS KAKA PLAYS A BALL THE DEFENDER IS BETWEEN THE BALL AND THE FORWARD ALL HE HAS TO DO IS GO TO THE BALL HIS BETWEEN IT AND THE ATTACKING PLAYER

    SO WHAT DOES HE DO HE IGNORES THE BALL CHASES THE FORWARD AND MAKES KAKAS BALL LOOK LIKE A GREAT THRU BALL

    BUT IT WASNT IT WAS A DIRECT PASS IT BECAME A THRU BALL WEN THE STUPID DEFENDER GAVE THE SPACE FOR THE BALL TO TRAVEL THRU

    WEN HE RAN AWAY FROM IT JUST LIKE THE 1ST GOAL A DEFENDER RAN AWAY FROM PLAY GIVING SPACE

    A DEFENDERS JOB IS TO BLOCK PLAY NOT RETREAT FROM IT

    ALL 3 GOALS DOWN TO EACH OF THE CENTRBACKS

    WILST THE REST OF THE TEAM DOMINATED POSSESSION AND PLAYED LOVELY FOOTBALL THEY HAD TO THINK ABOUT THE TWO IDIOTS AT THE BACK

    A SAY AGAIN PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW 2 DEFENDERS WHO PLAY TOGETHER AT CLUB LEVEL DO WHAT THEY DID LAST NIGHT

    AND WERE WAS HENZIE YOUR SUPPOSED TOP LEAD HENZIE UR SUPPOSED TO HELP NOT DISAPPEAR AT KEY MOMENTS

    IF AYALA WAS THERE THE DEFENDER AT FAULT WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT AND WOULD NOT REPEAT THE MISTAKE

    HENZIE SHOULD LEAD SCREAM SHOUT BIG UP HIS BACK LINE NOT JUST STAND THERE GAPPED MOUTH LIKE A LITTLE BOY

    LINE OF 4 —- LINE OF 4 SET PEASES BRAZIL – – YES THATS RIGHT TOTALLY MISSING WHY ARE TWO CWENTRBACKS NOT IN FRONT OF THE GOAL WERE THEY SHOULD
    BE

    VERON WAS ALL PUFF AND NO DENIM MESSI AND ALL OTHER FORWARDS FOR ARGENTINA NEED TO KNOW THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN ATTACKLING AND RUNNING UPTO A BUNCH OF DEFENDERS THEN STOPPING

    YOU WILL NEVER SCORE LIKE THAT YOU DONT SHOOT YOU DONT SCORE ITS THAT SIMPLY

    WERE WAS THE WIDTH WERE S THE SHOTS ON TARGET

    JESUS 2 GAMES 2 GOALS WHY AGAIN WHY ILL TELL YOU WHY

    THERES A SHOT TO TAKE WHAT DO YOU DO SIMPLE ANSWER “”"”"”!!!!TAKE THE SHOT!!!”"”"”"”"

    HE HAS HAD NUMEROUS SHOT CHANCES SO WHAT DOES HE DO HE TAKES THOSE CHANCES THATS SOMETHING TEVEZ JUST DOESNT DO AND MAXI AND SO MANY OTHER ARGENTINE PLAYERS

    FANCY FOOPTBALL IS GREAT PASS AND MOVE IS GREAT OVER LAPPING PLAYERS IS GREAT TRIANGLES IS GREAT

    BUT ITS ALL NOTHING IF YOU DONT SHOOT OR AT LEAST GO BEHIND A BACK LINE INSTEAD OF PLAYING UP TO A BACKLINE THEN SUDDENLY STOP THE ATTACK AND BREAK DOWN

    MESSI WAS SO GUILTY OF THIS RUN MOVE PASS BUT AS SOON AS THEY REACH THE BOX IT ALL BREAKS DOWN OR HE JUST STOPPED AND STARTED DOING SILLY STUFF LIKE DANCE ON THE SPOT WITH THE BALL AND THEN LOOSE POSSESSION

    MESSI YOU DONT DO THAT AT BARCA SO DONT DO IT AT ARGENTINA ETHER

    YOUR MAKING UR SELF LOOK LIKE A YOUNG RONALDO SILLY TRICKS ON A SPOT GOING NO WERE THEN THE DEFENDER JUST POPS HIS FOOT IN BANG BALL POSSESSION IS LOST

    MESSI THERE’S FLANKS RUN DOWN THEM MESSI THERE’S A GOAL SHOOT AT IT

    AND AGUERO JUST GO HOME THE LITTLE BOY LOST ACT IS GETTING ON MY NERVS NOW

    UR A FANCY BOY A PLAYBOY YOU CANNOT MAKE UR MIND UP WEATHER UR A INTERNATIONAL STRIKER OR A POP STAR OR A LEACH ON IN THE MARADONA FAMILY

    UR MOVEMENT IS LAZY UR WORK RATE IS LAZY UR DEDICATION IS LAZY YOU WALK ABOUT SWEATING PANTING BUT YOU HAVNT EVEN DONE ANYTHING

    YOUR TURN OF PACE IS SLOW WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU DOING BECAUSE ALL I SEE IS LAZY BOY TROTTING AROUND THE PITCH THINKING HOW PEITTY HE IS AND HOW MUCH HIS WAGE DEMANDS ARE FOR ANY NEW CLUBS

    AGUERO IS FAST BECOMING MY FAV HATE FIGURE THE GUY JUST DOESN’T GET IT HE WALKS ABOUT DOING NOTHING

    TEVEZ IS THE OPPOSITE ALL WORK BUT AGAIN IT GOES NO WERE ITS ALL WASTED ITS ALL PANT AND NO BRAIN OR SHOT

    HE REALLY IS GETTING ON MY TITS NOW TEVEZ A FORWARD ALSO SCORES GOALS OR MAKES THEM ALL YOU DO IS RUN ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH

    WHY DOES IT TAKE AVERAGE GUYS LIKE JESUS TO PUT THE BALL AWAY ALL THAT TALENT STILL NO GOALS ITS BEYOND BELIEF

    ARGENTINA NEED TO PLAY INTO BOXES NOT AROUND THEM AND THE BACK LINE NEEDS TO DO ITS BASICS

    WOBBLE BELLYS WHO CANNOT TAKE PRESSURE OF BEING PICKED FOR THERE COUNTRY SHOULD TURN DOWN THE OFFER RATHER THAN DISGRACE THERE COUNTRY

    WHAT THOSE IDIOTS DID LAST NIGHT WAS A SHAMEFUL DISGRACE YOU DO NOT LEAVE A 20 YARD GAP IN FRONT OF UR OWN GOAL AND ALLOW THE BALL IN AT SET PEACES THAT ARE NOT ANYTHING LIKE CHANCES TO SCORE

    ARGENTINA NEED TO STOP THIS MENTALITY THE TEAM WAS CAPABLE OF A GOOD WIN BUT TO MANY BABYS AND NO LEADERS COST US DEAR THRU BASIC SCHOOLBOY ERROR

    THERES KIDS TEAMS IV COACHED WOULDN’T DO THAT THATS WHAT THE LOWER KIDS WOULD DO AS MY TEAMS STEAM ROLLERED THEM AND WE WON MANY LEAGUES AND CUPS

    TO SEE ADULTS DO IT SHOCKING

    TO SEE PROFESSIONALS DO IT VERY SHOCKING

    TO SEE INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS DO IT WHO PLAY TOGETHER AT CLUB LEVEL

    NO GOD DAMMED EXCUSE AT ALL

    ARGENTINA HAVE THE BIGGEST DEEPEST SQUAD OF PLAYERS AT INTERNATIONAL LEVEL ON THE PLANET AS SOON AS ARE DEFENCE IS FULL STRNGTH I EXPECT ARGENTINA TO GO ON A RUN OF FORM AND REGAIN FIFA NUMBER ONE SPOT AND BE FAVORITES FOR WC

    THOSE NOT CUTTING IT NEED TO GO

    AND MESSI SHOULD DROP BACK INTO MIDFIELD TRYING TO BLAME IT ALL ON DIEGO WEN HE HAS A HUGE INJURIES CRISES AND ROMANS ATTITUDE BULLSHIT

    DEM AND HENZIE OR DEM AND DIAZ WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD ENOUGH LAST NIGHT BUT THERES NO WAY AROUND THE INJURIES

    GAGO WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER CHOICE THAN VERON BUT AGAIN NOT AVAILABLE

    THERES NOTHING IMPRESSIVE ABOUT BRAZIL OTHER THAN THERE WORK RATE THEY WERE THERE FOR THE PICKING AND 2 IDIOT SO CALLED CENTRBACKS LET US DOWN

    AND MESSI SIMPLY DIDNT DELIVER HE IS NOT ANYWERE NEAR MARADONA YET

    AT 21 MARADONA WAS RUNNING GAMES FROM CENTRE MIDFIELD MESSI ISNT DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT

    ZABALETTA–DEM–HENZIE–JANUS

    –GAGO—MASCOR—JESUS—

    -MESSI—–MILITO—–L.LOPEZ-

    ZABALLETA–DEM–DIAZ–HENZIE
    ———-MASCOR———–
    ———-GAGO————-
    MESSI——AGUREO——-JANUS/JESUS

    ———–MILITO————–

    GET INTO REALITY GUYS ARGENTINA ARE GOING TO QUALIFY WE HAVE A YEAR TO BUILD WITH THE CORRECT PLAYERS THIS IS ALL JUST PART OF FOOTBALL WE SHOULD HAVE WON LAST NIGHT BUT TWO INDERVIDUALS HAD TO PLAY THE CLOWN AND MADE EVERYONE ELSE LOOK BAD

    AND PUSH COMES TO SHOVE MESSI IS NOT HITTING CLUB HIGHTS AT NATAIONAL TEAM LEVEL

    SAVIOLA,AIMAR,DELAZANDRO ETC ALKL SMALL ALL GIFTED HAD BIGGER IMPACTS AT THIS AGE MESSI IS NOT CUTTING THE STANDARDS YET HE WAS INVISIBLE LAST NIGHT

    I WANT TEVEZ OUT COMPLETELY HE IS NOT THE PLAYER HE WAS AND ALL THE WORK RATE IN THE WORLD WONT HELP HE DOESN’T SHOOT HE DOESN’T CREATE HE JUST HUFFS AND PUFFS THIS IS NOT THE TEVEZ OF BACA OR OLIMPICS OR BRAZIL
    LEAGUE HE DID ONE GOOD MOVE LAST NIGHT AND THAT WAS IT

    THIS BRAZIL SIDE IS NOTHING SPECIAL THEY WERE FONUND OUT SO MANY TIMES AT CONFED CUP BUT LADY LUCK GAVE THEM THE CUP

    ARGENTINA COULDN’T EXPLOIT THINGS TEAMS LIKE EGYPT DID AT CONFED CUP

    THATS A DISGRACE IN ITS SELF

  • skywalker

    and oh on this Maradona getting canned issue, unless Diego leaves himself, there is no way he’s going to be sacked. Please leave this topic to rest. Bielsa, who couldn’t get us out of the first round (which at that time looked like the worst possible thing you can do as Argentina coach) wasn’t even sacked despite the overwhelming majority asking for his release. The AFA didn’t do it then, won’t do it now, much less having to bite the bullet on Maradona’s lucrative contract. It’s just not going to happen people.

    The only thing is that someone (media, fans, etc) gets through to him and at least gets the best possible Argentines to play for the NT. And then with that, at least they play a formation suited to the strengths of those called up. That’s the best we can do.

    He’s here to stay barring some miracle from the man himself waking up and realizing he’s not a full fledged coach and needs to go or at least surround himself and actually take the advice of people who know the game better than him.

  • Addy

    bravo audie, let rip my son, we can blame the 2 defenders, but veron was dikking about for their 3rd goal, and it took a huge deflection.. that through ball did… and please dont even start that diego milito nonsense… for me he is NOT international class at all, he chokes on that stage and was a sh!tter last night, so far nobody has replaced Crespo.. and as for tevez i agree he shouldnt be in the team anymore on reputation… Aguero the boy is a gem and i tell you what he would score more goals than Milito & Tevez put together so id have him over them 2 any day of the week!

  • Juh

    #chupamaradona

  • jucasilva

    Maradona tomou no cú ? Brasil 3 x 1 Argentina….

    Maradona took the ass ? Brazil 3 x 1 Argentina….

    Maradona tomó el culo? Brasil 3 x 1 Argentina….

  • jucasilva

    teste

  • toddutah

    Getting back to basics the following quote summarizes my feelings. This is not rocket science:

    Football is sometimes over-complicated. If you pick the best players at your disposal, providing there is balance, you are likely to have a far greater chance of success than if you choose lesser players.

    This has been proven by Maradona, whose squad selection has been absolutely bizarre at times. The coach has an unhealthy obsession with local players, almost as if he is on some quest to prove that South American football can still stand up against the poachers of Europe. Ten on Diego’s roster for the Brazil clash were from the Argentine League, including a 35-year-old Martin Palermo who has not played internationally for 10 years, and a 36-year-old defender Rolando Schiavi earning his maiden call-up.

  • toddutah

    Hey we all know that his game could have easliy been 2 to 2 or 1 to 1 based on chances but we also all know that Maradona is not playing the best players? H eis not calling up the best players ? And he is not giving the team any type of direction that they can hang there hat on and play with . Maradona pick the best 18 players which most likely means guys playing in Europe since that is where you get the biggest pay check and then play the same 12 to 15 players every time. What am I missing here ? What is so hard about that ? Samuel, Garay, Gonsolo, Pareja, Insua? We have the players to do this.

    I am not going to call Maradona as I respect what he has down for Argentina way to much but please stop this fascination with the so called local player. It is almost like the guy making beg money in Europe is less Argentine than the local guy. What a shame.

  • Argentuban

    Really? Blaming the manager for calling up and going with the defenders he went with, that were questionable at best to begin with…that’s out of line?

    I’ll blame who’s culpable, and it’s the manager for poor call-ups, piss poor tactics, and a terrible formation that doesn’t fit the players on the field.

    Maradona called up Otamendi and Dominguez.
    Maradona started Tevez and kept him in.
    Maradona called up Veron and started him.

    Oh, and the comment on Maradona running midfields at the age of 21/22 is laughable. Maradona didn’t win the World Cup until he was just 3 months shy of 26. He got his ass handed to him by Brazil and Italy in ‘82 – he wasn’t carrying the national team to anything at Messi’s age. He got marked and bullied out of the matches with those two giants. And he had Fillol, Pasarella, Ardiles, Kempes, etc. in ‘82.

  • Argentuban

    Someone alluded to the irony, todd, with regards to his fascination with local-based players given his constant reference to having played in Europe as part of his argument for why he is better than Pele. Yet he ignores some of the best players in the world that are in Europe in favor of guys like Otamendi and Dominguez.

  • Watch_10

    We all are not saying anything new about this saga , we all knew before hand during the game of Russia-Argentina how Brazil will use our loop holes.
    But instead of holes we created doors in our tactics , player selection as well as the starting 11.

    What can I say , nothing … I don’t have anything to say.
    If we qualify and Diego does the same kind of crazy things then are we thinking of winning the cup, I dont think so its just waste of a generation , the hopes the talent , disrespect of every fans wishes.
    So best option is to start a new project, sack Maradona- plan for 2014 WC, start working on the system and start looking into new blood mixed with appropriate experienced players.
    Time to move Heinze to squad role bring in Monzon, Insua or whoever is a left back future is for them to shine
    Zanetti should move to squad role , even Inter do not play him RB, Angeleri,Zabaleta etc should be started now so that they are ready on time.
    Centre Back should be reshaped we need 4 players who can understand and pair with each other. Garay, Demi, Pareja, Gonzalo etc
    The #9s should be started in all games so that we prepare the #9 with appropriate confidence… if we select a #9 and put him in sub role we reduce that players confidence . Its not English football #9 wont get to see the ball so frequently and to get confidence and be effective you need to test lots of situations in that position.
    In midfield and support strikers we always had talent the very fact that we are struggling in that area is saddening for football in general, just call up players who deserve it.

    Time to do something for future… I cant get over this game ,wont be able to get over the complete experience since Copa07 final too) .
    WTF … how can anyone be like this… WTF…. its amazing that I still did not catch up with some unpleasant fight with other football fans (they always side with Brazil) … F*#k the AFA/Maradona/Bilardo/FIFA … what would be sensible coaches be thinking on this game… even Basile would be laughing .

  • Rune

    Just finished watching the game for the second time…..I have to say that Veron, Messi and Datolo did not have that good a game that I thought last night. In fact they were all mediocre.
    Datolo tried 6(!)long range shots, he scored a screamer but over all he was mediocre.
    Messi did 3-4 fantastic things, but lost the ball many times. Veron was up and down like always, but of cousre he is not the future for this team. Going to a WC with Veron is naive. He will be eaten alive against european teams. I do however agree that from this squad Veron and Masch is the best pair of CM that we have. Gago? Come on….he is absolutely NOT a playmaker. But I’ll take Aimar and Lucho over Veron any day.

    Brazil created 4 chances, we created 4 chances….so an evenly contest in that sense…but they were really superiour in all the decicive moments of the game. They can score from set pieces AND defend set pieces. We can never score from set pieces(remember Roman and the Copa 07 final?)and we just can not defend set pieces at all. And keep on selecting mediocre defenders that can make debuts in really big games, and of course that will change…haha. Samuel, Demichelis, Garay, Gonzalo…they are not great any of them in my opinion, but they are the best we have…and they would know a thing or two about defending set pieces, Samuel has experience from a WC and the Copa + Serie A. He knows how to defend, all though he is a risky player who gives away lots of free kicks.

    Tevez…I really love him, I do. I have seen all his games in west ham, Man U and City. It’s one of the highlights every week for me. But he’s just not making it n our NT. He should always be in the squad, but not a starter. He shouldn’t be a starter for a looong time. Enough is enough!

    Another thing…….Why can’t we stop being naive and so fuckin’ romantic all the time. We are Argentina, we must respect our tradition, we must keep possesion, we must tango, we must blah, blah, blah…Maybe not ALL the time, in every game. Why don’t we try to be clever once in a while??? Learn from Brazil here…. In big games like this(and against top Euro teams)we must have a plan B. Football has changed, we can not be this naive anymore! Why don’t we play a more defensive style when we meet Brazil and the top euro teams? A tight defence and try to counter attack just to let the bastards taste some of their own medicine, not always making it easy for them…not in EVERY game, but maybe in some…..even at home, when we know the oponents will only think about sitting back and waiting for us. I am just so fuckin’ tired of losing to Brazil, so tired of these humiliation that I’ll take anything as long as we can win some big games. We haven’t won ONE really important game(qual, WC or Copa) against a real top class team since 2005 against Brazil!!!!!! Maybe something must be done??

    Anyway…I love our team. I love Albiceleste! I even love them more after the defeat yesterday against the bastards. Cause they’re my boys, I have loved them for 25 years. I even wore my Argentina jersey with pride this morning when I went out to the store. Nothing can take away this love. It’s just pure magic to see a player in the white and blue shirt. All the lovely memories from my childhood comes back when I think about it. I wil love Albiceleste forever. Nothing can change that…not even a bad coach.

    Replacing Diego now is a bad dea, would create too much fuzz in an allready diificult situation. I hope he resigns after the WC qual campaign is over…but of course he won’t. I am dreaming about the death of Grondona(and maybe his son?)haha…and Bianchi as our NT coach. But that’s just a stupid dream.

  • Argentuban

    Replacing Diego after Paraguay is not such a bad idea in my book. But po-tay-to, puh-tah-to I guess.

    My preferred coaches are all employed now. Bringing back Pekerman or a shot for Lavolpe, who did well with Mexico, would be most possible, but unlikely.

  • Rune

    Batista?? No way! Just to remind you…we did NOT impress that much when we won the olympics, we really didn’t. Against Brazil in the olymoics, we were quite lucky to be honest. If you don’t believe me, watch the game one more time. Batista is a young Basile. He wonæt do us any good. Bianchi is the man. He is also a gentleman, not a mafioso or an asshole.

    And Higuain…why in the name og our dear father christmas do many of you guys think he is the solution to our problems. We need to play a real #9. Higuain isn’t a real #9. Why do you think he is? Cause he scored over 20 gaols in La liga?? Come on. Aguero scored 20 and 17 goals in La Liga the last 2 seasons, does this make him a real #9 ??? Not at all!! He can be used as a #9, just like Higuain…but it’s not their best position.
    Wake up!

  • Watch_10

    In My opinion (at this stage) we should sack him ,
    If we weigh the pros and cos of sacking him , getting a new coach
    with keeping him , I see better hope in sacking him, getting a new coach.

    If we keep him now but dont qualify then best option is to sack him blindly

    In case we keep him and need to play the playoffs for the qualification then he will be overconfident to play the likes of NewZealand but players will be without any balance. Some will be lacking confidence even against them and some will be overconfident family members.

    In case we do finally go to SA2010 then considering that he will have his nose touching the sky, he will continue to call a weird combination of players and I cant see him having the tactical brain to outsmart the likes of Spain, Germany, Brazil, England or Russia (only difference is talent but talent only cannot win the cup). So eventually he would be sacked after the WC2010.

    So considering all this why dont we just sack him now and shape the argentine national football from now .

    I understand this wont happen considering AFA’s history, intentions and the unprincipled character of the legend… but I think this is only option that would give some future hope to Argentine national football .

  • john

    Well if we are going to play the fantasy game of Maradonna stepping down or being sacked then my choice of managers based on the best who is avalaible would have to be Jürgen Klinsmann.

    He would choose our best players and apply proper tactics based on our skill and who we are playing.

    regards

  • MaxiLopez

    Great posts from the regulars. It’s a pleasure to read you guys and feel our common “pain” regarding Argentina. I know I sometimes criticize the quality of the posts, but we have a great little team here on the blog. The posts are constructive and I want to thank you guys.

    The albiceleste futbol is based on possession with short passes, technic, patience, tempo, confidence. It’s in all the genes of our boys. Winning by being itself is an argentinean dream. This dream should have become come true in 2006 if we hadn’t been that unlucky and if the referees had been neutral.

    All Argentina needs is a good coach. Most of all, Argentina needs to eradicate corruption from AFA. Because AFA will never hire good NT coaching staff. Never.

  • MaxiLopez

    RUNE,
    My friend, I agree with you on everything. What’s happening? :) I agree regarding Batista & Higuain.

    WATCH10,
    This is a dream. It won’t happen. Maradona is our coach until at least 2011.

    KEN,
    It’s so funny. You ask questions to JOHN, which means yourself. I’m sure you’ve seen Hitchcok’s Psycho. No one notice your little acting here anymore. You are worrying me.

  • john

    This is an excerpt from an article in the guardian…..is it fair?

    Argentina’s hopes rested entirely on Leo Messi, who “still owes the blue and white” according to La Nación. The paper criticised the Barcelona forward for selfishness on his return to the city where he was born. For all Messi’s shimmying runs and bursts of pace, ultimately “Brazil managed to hold him up,” confessed Maradona after the defeat. With the national team, Messi has no Xavi or Iniesta to combine with.

    While Messi’s confidence was chipped away as the game wore on, Kaká thrived on the responsibility handed to him by Dunga. “That’s what makes a player world class,” declared one commentator, moments after the Brazilian playmaker delivered the stunning pass for Fabiano to score Brazil’s third and kill the game off.

    complete article
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/sep/06/world-cup-argentina-brazil

    regards

  • Riquelme

    With Messi, its been proven again and again that he needs good players around him to deliver his best. He isn’t the type of player that can rise and make other around him look good. He hasn’t really faced much failure in his career, and he has a tendency to get frustrated too soon. If we want him to give his best to Argentina, we need to develop another player that can match the rhyme and rhythm with him. You guys say that guy is Aimar, but I am not convinced. I can’t even imagine how another 5 foot couldn’t have been marked and muscled out in the game yestarday.

  • skywalker

    Riquelme, I don’t know if it’s a question of Aimar or whomever to play with Messi, the simple fact of the matter is that the type of system we play vs Brazil fits right into their hand. There’s a reason why teams like Egypt, USA, Ecuador trouble Brazil, namely because they don’t try to force the game to Brazil, instead they force Brazil to come to them. And no disrespect to the likes of Elano, Ramires, Silva, they’re not equipped to handle that type of role. So vs teams that sit back, Brazil get their wingbacks to march up with speed and then try to find the few holes to get their target men to exploit. Over the course of the game, a few chances present themselves and Brazil’s hitmen are like no one else in the game. They don’t usually waste even half chances.

    But with us, we come right at them; no one else does this to them and when we attack, we tend to lose shape and that creates all sorts of problem for us. And the fact that we line up a army of midgets, Brazil stack the middle of the D, press the MF and then need a maximum of 2/3 passes to get past our last line of defense and that’s all she wrote. Coming directly at Brazil is almost suicidal the way we approach it.

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    did everyone watch the game on tv or stream the game? im wondering if it is worth my money to order the game against paraguay also.

    another thing I wanted to add is that it would be a good idea to even start coloccinni over dominguez. we were sooo terrified when diego called collocinni up and now he might actually be a blessing against paraguay.

  • petro

    Brazil media is making fun of argentina… think julio Grondona will make decisions only when it affects his job..

    http://www.soccerblog.com/2009/09/cry-maradona-the-brazilian-med.htm

  • Argentuban

    Higuain wouldn’t have gotten muscled over yesterday, Rune. And if you look at the lineup I recommended, he wasn’t the 9 in my lineup. Also, they play pretty physical in Italy – Zarate wouldn’t have gotten muscled out.

    Play Zarate and Higuain up front with Messi in the midfield. Brazil would have given up a few goals with that type of attack.

    And we know what the resolution for central defense is – they just won’t fix it.

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    Argentabaun, you r gonna laugh at me… last night I invited around 10 argie fans over and 6 Brazil fans over to watch the match and only 2 argie friends showed up… the rest were either busy or wanted to watch the game alone due to fear of embarrasment…. ALL MY FRIENDS WHO R BRAZIL FANS SHOWED UP. what a waste of my 35 bucks ordering that terrible match. this wednesday i am watching the game alone

  • alfio

    maradona should do 1 0f this 2 things.

    1.quit or
    2.take advice from other in tactics and player selections.

    i think he should quit, i think he will never learn.
    its not to late.
    i hope we qualify first.
    than i would make this changes.
    who ever the coach is must accept to leave personal feelings out of this and chose the best player.
    he must accept that some players are not good enough or over the hill.
    he must chose the best players no matter where they play.
    he must chose a players that make the squad balanced in every area.
    he must chose a core that he always calls them up,only 2 or 3 new players the most should be added to the squad each test.
    the new players should be be slowly added to the core.
    he shouldnt be affraid to leave “stars” on the bench if they dont fit the game or an other player who is better plays his position,he must accept the bench.
    he or we should not be so quick to judge players by a game (datolo against russia…)we must chose the most constant players.
    players have to earn it on a constant basis.
    than…

    analyze the squad,analyze the strengths and weaknesses.
    chose a tactic based on the strengths of the squad and to cover the weaknesses of the squad.
    the squad must be balanced.
    AND THIS IS IMPORTENT WHAT ALL OUR COACHES MAKE MISTAKES,THEY DONT CHOSE PLAYERS THAT HAVE CHEMISTRY WITH EACH OTHER AND FIT THE TACTIC OR FORMATION.

    based on all this these are the players i would consider.

    GOALKEEPER:
    carizzo,romero,ustari.

    leftback:
    Insua-he is not ready yet but sadly we dont have a better 1.
    monzon-he would be ideal,good size,good body,and has something that our squad lacks a SHOT,sadly he is down right now,hopefully he comes back.
    ansaldi

    rightback:
    zabaleta-like insua sadly we have not a better 1,but he impressed me in the olympics finals,he is young and showed he can run the right flank up and down what zanetti cant do anymore.
    zanetti-i would chose him as an squad player,he cant play right back anymore,inter dont use him there since a long time,he is old,cant run the flank like he used to,dont mistake me he can play still there but not every 3 day,but he is versatile as a squad player he can cover rightback,leftback and midfield.
    angeleri

    centerback:
    Gonzalo
    demichelis
    garay
    samuel
    pareja
    fazio-big,good on a ball and versatile,can play centerback,rightback,leftback,in a 3 man defense,defensive midfielder,if only he would play more games for sevilla he is a must.

    defansive midfield:
    mascherano
    cambiasso
    gago-dont give up on him he is a good player.
    banega- i hope he relizes what a player he is,i hope he makes an impact at valencia.
    lucho-as an squad player,versatile can play right midfield too.

    right midfield:
    messi
    maxi
    sosa

    left midfield:
    di maria-he has something what we lack CLUTCH(olympics final goal cold as ICE)
    ?lavezzi
    leto

    playmakers:
    riquelme
    aimar
    pastore

    striker:
    aguero
    tevez
    zarate
    palacio

    9″ :
    higuain-he is not a 9,more of a modern forward,but has size,has a shot,can score,and what i like about this guy he never gives up,he has CLUTCH scores very importent goals,just what we need,hope he fights this season and wins his place back just like he did the other 2 season to.
    lisandro
    cavenaghi
    crespo-if they dont work out this is the only old guy i would fall back and call him up.

    ————————-gk———————
    zabaleta——gonzalo—-samuel/garay——-insua/monzon

    ——————–mascherano—————————
    —————banega——————————-
    —————————–riquelme———————

    ——messi—————————di maria————
    ——————–higuain—————————–

    why:
    gk-?
    zabaleta-we dont have a better one.
    insua/monzon-we dont have a better one.
    gonzalo vs demichelis-both are 2″ both are elegant,in the mould of ferdinand,who marshall the defense,and need a hard nosed defender beside them like rio has vidic or gonzalo godin,gonzalo and demichelis are competition.
    samuel-what real and most of the people dont understand is that samuel is a 6″ he is not a 2″ he cant marshall defense,he needs someone beside him who can do that,he is a hard nose defender who does the dirty work.
    GONZALO(mind) SAMUEL(body)

    mascherano played with both gago and cambiasso and i didnt work out,if we play mascherano 442 without a playmaker we lack creativaty,if we play 442 we should try gago-cambiasso.
    in my team mascherano has not to create,he has to protect the defense.

    i compare banega to senna,both have played with riquelme,both have comlpimented riquelme very well,both was part of riquelme´s succes,banega can be our second playmaker on the pitch without losing on the defensive end,he will step up when riquelme is marked.

    messi is best on the right,di maria has shown he can score goals,higuain has clutch but he lacks expirience,if he doesnt work out trie the other 9.

    sorry for the long post,sorry if i forget some players,cause i dont follow the games like before, all i know is that i am sad what is happening,and we need to make a turnaround.FAST.

  • Argentuban

    But more to the point, why is Messi expected to do everything for the team?

    First and foremost, he is 22 years of age. 22. I pointed out how Maradona performed at around this age at the World Cup in ‘82, and he had a pretty good defensive lineup on that team.

    Second, and most importantly in my mind, there is no reason for Messi to HAVE to carry the team – the team simply needs to be composed of the nation’s top talent. The team does not even have a solid defensive back line. That’s hardly Messi’s fault.

    Third, it’s pretty unfair to say he isn’t ready for the proverbial reigns when they really haven’t been handed to him; he was played as an up-at-the-front striker with no one to receive service.

    Kaka, frankly, has a better coach and a world-class goalkeeper and defensive line on his team, and Brazil have, for the most part, called up the best in-form players to their NT. Also, he is hardly expected to do everything on his own. Lastly, he is 27 – in his prime.

  • Argentuban

    I’m not laughing, sorin. I just knew we were going to lose with that disastrous lineup. Midgets up front, and junior-league defenders at the back.

    Brazil are well-coached, and have good chemistry. They always have talent at every position.

    We are poorly coached, have no chemistry, and either lack talent (GK, outside backs) or won’t call it up (all those central defenders, Aimar, Higuain, Zarate – the latter two are all in better form than Tevez).

  • mickey

    maradona is not to blame here. It is the argentine FA or AFA that is to blame. I mean come on who in their right mind would hire someone who has absolutely no coaching experience, and for those of you who thought guardiola didnt have any experience as a manager before becoming the manager of barcelona you thought wrong. He actually managed barcelona’s B team for a year. Even he had more experience then him. But we shouldnt make comparisons between maradona and guardiola because club and international football are completely different. I mean come on who calls up a 35 year old who hadnt played a game for argentina in almost ten years? And why the fuck did he keep calling up more south american based players then european players. Who in their right mind wouldnt call up a player like cambiasso? Or a player like walter samuel who would be a way better choice as opposed to players like burdisso, pareja, papa, schiavi, and dominguez. Otamendi deserved his call up but then why didnt he call up other more reliable center backs such as DeMischelis who had played at a higher level? And they should never ever play coloccini again. I will blame diego maradona for getting rid of the single most important player for argentina in juan roman riquelme. For me that is when they should have sacked him because you cant replace a player like riquelme who was such a crucial player for argentina in all of their international matches. The worst thing is he keeps calling up players who havent even proven themselves on the big stage yet. And what coach in his right mind wouldnt even offer a call up to a player who scored more then 20 goals in la liga? Or a player who scored some absolute beauties in the serie A with lazio. Instead of using players like bolatti and brana he could have used players like rodrigo palacio and lucho gonzalez, or he could have even called up pablo aimar. Veron is getting to old to lead the team. And why would you start a carlos tevez in stuttering form when you have a player in red hot form like diego milito sitting on the bench?
    All in all the 4-4-2 doesnt work with argentina. And putting messi as a striker doesnt work either. A 4-2-3-1 would be much more effective with zanetti as right back with samuel and otamendi/DeMischelis as center backs and heinze as left back. Cambiasso and Mascherano would be the two defensive midfielders with riquelme as the central attacking midfielder with messi and tevez to the sides of him with diego milito up top on his own. And on the bench you could have players like higuain, aguero, lucho gonzalez, palacio, zarate, lavezzi, maxi rodriguez, palacio, gago, lisandro, di maria, sosa, and aimar. I hate to see countries like Argentina who have so much potential and then have coaches like diego maradona who dont use that to their advantage. Realistically speaking you guys could have a better squad then brazil if you called up the right players. I urge you to fire maradona before your world cup dreams are all but over!!!!

  • petro

    Is Maradona thinking as much as we are? I bet he is going to bring back Ayala..its better he quits when he has respect…Bilardo, Are you hearing us?

  • procrastinator

    I feel it might be possible to humiliate Maradona into resigning… maybe take out a public advert apologising for the mismanagement by Maradona, on behalf of the fans of Diego Maradona.

    it’d be rather humiliating to read, if I were him.

  • Brazilikestofuckargentinasass

    #chupamaradona

  • aimar 10

    it seems no matter how much we state the obvious about maradonna nothing will change. i read an article on goal.com and he seems even more stubborn than ever. i would really like to see whole sale changes for our next game but i know this will never happen. a 4-5-1 would be my ideal formation. pushing messi back in the midfield playing him in maxi role who was invisible the last game, and leaving milito alone and in the middle upfront. no more tevez this guy just does not have the killer instinct i can’t tell the last time he came close to scoring.hope to see

    andujar
    zannetti-burdisso-pareja-heinze
    messi-macherano-veron-gago-datolo
    milito

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzPOagnwv_M Juan

    Sigan con maradona y seguirán perdiendo!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzPOagnwv_M

  • Tuhin

    Too depressed to comment :( :( :(

  • Vinícius

    #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona #chupamaradona

  • Addy

    I HAVE JUST READ VIA ARG SOURCES. http://WWW.SUPERGOL.COM.AR – THAT 2 CHANGES ARE IMMINENT… SCHIAVI. YES “SCHIAVI” A 36 YEAR OLD UNCAPPED CENTRAL DEFENDER WILL START AHEAD OF DOMINGUEZ… OTAMENDI WILL KEEP HIS PLACE!!! AND TEVEZ IS OUT WITH A KNEE INJURY WITH SOMEONE OUT OF LISANDRO, KUN OR MILITO TO REPLACE HIM! THESE ARE 110% CONFIRMED CHANGES… OPINIONS PLEASE! IT IS OFFICIAL THAT SCHIAVI & OTAMENDI ARE OUR CENTRAL DEFENDERS! I think maybe i’ll committ suicide before the match because the tortute of sufferent yet ANOTHER embarassing defeat will be too much to take!

  • Tuhin

    i think i will play better then OTAMENDI…..and schiavi…well have not seen his game…but one problem…he is freaking 36 years old…..if this was cricket…i may have consider him…but in football….Diego is again taking coke !

  • Tuhin

    @petro: Ayala….yah..that is one CD….i want him back too….if palermo, veron, schiavi can play…why can’t he. and also i want Simeone too.

  • ken

    Alfio,
    what Lisandro lopez? Don’t you rate him highly? Thanks

  • Tuhin

    Where is our attacking midfielders ??????

  • ken

    Maxilopez,
    I am not John. It can easily be verified. You should not worry
    about me; I have no time to play any games.

  • Watch_10

    BTW some newspapers say Diego wont give Crespo any callup while he can call Palermo is due to the fact that
    Crespo has a goal scoring record equal to Maradona’s so possibly (dont know how true is that, need to cross check).

  • MaxiLopez

    ALFIO,
    It’s always nice to read from you my friend. I agree with everything you said, the players, the tactics, the logic to prepare things. Unfortunately, the coaches named by AFA don’t think like you or me. The “turnaround” will never come. Btw, I thought you had “retired” from futbol and had decided to not follow it because you were disgusted by AFA? You, the enganche, have too much passion isn’t it?

    RIQUELME,
    All Messi needs is MOVEMENT around him. The only player that was still excellent when his team was totally static was Zidane.

    ADDY,
    We all knew Schiavi was going to start against Paraguay. Now that people have complained about the central defence’s lack of experience. We almost had what we wanted…

    WATCH10,
    The press has started to hunt Maradona. Maybe.

    JULIAN,
    I remind you that trolls are all over the place, always.

  • skywalker

    If the following is true, it tells you all you need to know about Diego.

    Taken from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/07/sports/soccer/07maradona.html:

    To try to address Maradona’s lack of experience, Grondona assigned Carlos Bilardo, the coach of the 1986 World Cup-winning team, to serve as an assistant. But Maradona has limited the 70-year-old Bilardo’s input, not allowing him to eat with the players or make personnel decisions, Levinsky said.

    Guys, is this true?

  • MaxiLopez

    France is a country that has many common problems with us in terms of futbol management. They have, for example, a stubborn coach like us. But there seem to be a difference regarding the players. Thierry Henry, speaking for all the team, has said to Domenech in a training meeting in front of everybody: “Coach, we are lost, we do not know what to do, our game has no identity, we have no direction”.

    Our boys have been appointed Maradona for AFA business reasons. But also because they aren’t easy to handle and argue eachother. Maradona is able to dictate respect in the locker-room. All I want to say is that our players will never behave like Thierry Henry simply because Maradona will always call “loyal” players.

    SKYWALKER,
    I am sure there are some tensions between Maradona & Bilardo. But I am also sure that the old man has a huge influence on tactics. This stupid static 4-4-2 with Messi as our savior is typical Bilardo style.

  • Tordynna

    Argentina is a sure bet not to qualify for the world cup.
    Usually that would be a terrible thought , but not anymore .
    They dont deserve to play at the highest level . They are totally impotent
    at both sides of the pitch. Argentina is only good in the safe area called midfield. They must stop playing glorified fiveaside with
    midgets . There is no efficency at all. Everything falls apart , mostly because they will always try that last beatiful pass .
    Brazil has started to play european style , its not pretty , but very
    effective .

  • Argentuban

    Word is 65% in Argentina want Maradona out as manager, NOW.

    People are outright coming out now and saying he should be sacked.

    And Kaka came out and said he wants Argentina at the World Cup.

  • rameez hanif

    I wish that Mardona could call Samuel and Gonzalo for the next match. But in reality he will again select central defenders from the squad selected out of whom i don’t think that other then Pareja anyone deserves to be called up. So i hope now he plays the following line up against Paraguay (they are also good in the air and will rely on set pieces):

    ——————————GK (who ever, as no one is good)———–

    Zanetti————–Pareja————–Heinze——————Papa

    ——————–Masch—————–Veron———————–

    Messi————————–Aguero——————————Datalo

    —————————Milito/Lopez——————————–

  • Rune

    MaxiLopez:
    Yeah, we seem to agree more and more these days :-) I guess it’s the tragedy of having Diego as our NT coach that has brought us closer..:-) haha

    Argentuban:
    You wrote: “Higuain wouldn’t have gotten muscled over yesterday, Rune. And if you look at the lineup I recommended, he wasn’t the 9 in my lineup. Also, they play pretty physical in Italy – Zarate wouldn’t have gotten muscled out”.
    -I see what you mean. Higuain is a good second striker, but we have so many great players in that position. And when it comes to being physical and not being muscled out, I actually believe that this is one of the strongest parts of Tevez’s game. He’s got a very strong body. So when it comes to this, Tevez is not at all less strong than Higuain and Zarate.

  • Argentuban

    But he is also not much of a target to hit. Brazil knew that, and defended appropriately. And Tevez was clearly tired – for one, he played the past weekend. For another, he has been out of form for some time.

    Guys like Higuain and Zarate, even if they aren’t true 9s or whatever, are, and are very strong as well. Their height and mobility and strength would add a dimension that we lack in the striker position. That’s my feeling.

    Personally, I feel Higuain belongs on the team above Tevez or Lavezzi for sure. So does Zarate. And Datolo has to go if he is going to play that way as a midfielder. And Veron should just crawl up into a ball and die. Now. Before any other idiot decides to put him on the NT again.

    Did you see my post on the weight/demands on Messi? Do you and others agree or disagree? I just think it’s idiotic the way it’s being done.

  • Rune

    I hope plays this team against Paraguay:
    ———–Andujar
    Zanetti-Pareja-Heinze-Burdisso
    ——–Masch–Veron/Battaglia
    Maxi/Salvio-Messi—-Datolo
    ———-Lisandro

    Burdisso isn’t a left back, but has played in this position for Inter lots of times. Playing Papa away from home against a team that will attack us, is not a good idea. Burdisso is a clown, but he is experienced and knows how to defend, quite strong in the air. He is a bit like Heinze. We need a tight defence on wednesday, it’s enough with Zanetti’s overlaping on the right side. 4-2-3-1(3-3-3-1 when attacking) would be best.

  • Argentuban

    I am rooting for Uruguay and Bolvia now to at least draw their opponents.

    I will take an incredibly ugly, fortuitous victory over Paraguay and a sacking of our DT too, please.

    Please.

  • Rune

    I agree reagarding Messi, Argentuban.

  • fab

    the argentine press will never talk bad about maradona

    he is literally like george bush of argentina…if you talk bad about him every ignorant hick will hate you

    oh what has the world come to

  • Argentuban

    Well Schiavi can’t be any worse, let’s hope.

    And Tevez out is a blessing. Hopefully Lisandro gets the nod. He’s in form and isn’t shell shocked from playing in the Brazil match.

    Knowing Diego though, he’ll lay Aguero – who I love, but again the with the midgets.

  • Watch_10

    earlier we were looking for playing 11 and formation now
    time to think of squad selection, may be some one from AFA will read this blog :-)

    GK = Leo Franco/Andujar/Carrizo
    Defenders = Monzon/Heinze/Angeleri/Zanetti/Pareja/Samuel/Demichelis
    Midfield = Macherano/Cambiasso/Lucho/Aimar/Maxi/DiMaria/Leto
    Forwards = Zarate/Higuain/Aguero/Messi/Milito/Lopez

    I think this squad can be used for many effective formations.
    Surely this is not a complete squad since there are always other players who can get into the
    mix. e.g. Garay,Insua,Tevez,Lavezzi or Crespo to add balance of young age and experience.

  • MaxiLopez

    I hope Maradona will play like this. Dreaming as always. We’ll probably have a 4-4-2.

    ————-Carrizo————-
    Coloccini–Burdisso–Heinze–Papa
    ————Mascherano———–
    ———-Gago—–Maxi———-
    Messi——–Lopez———Datolo

    Whatever people say, Mascherano is a monster and Gago is class.

  • CeCe

    Keep telling it like it is Procrastinator!!!!

  • Addy

    POLITICS, polotics, politics… Maradona wont call up Higuain ex river-plate, overlooks some blatenetly good players… Has an issue with Riquelme because LA Boca’s seem to have taken him to heart as much as they did Maradona.. maybe more so! Wont call up Crespo because he has 2 goals more than what Maradona did and he does not want his achievements to seem easily passable!

    MY LAST points are these, look out the squad right.. Zanetti.. Veron… 2 MASSIVELY experienced players, they are going to play twice in 5 days? i fear for VERON more than anyone, he looked so lagged and gassed out at 60 minutes… the stupid f@t retard has not got no attacking midfield options, just Maxi, Datolo and Veron! he called up 5 DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDERS!

    SOMEBODY GIVE THIS MAN A SLAP! Now regardless we jam a win or beat paraguay 5-0 i still want him sacked, he should have gone when we lost 6-1 to bolivia! he has taken over and made us lose at home for the first time in 16 years and given us the biggest defeat of our history! what more facts do you want for his sh!t management!

  • john

    The criticism against Maradona is fair and justified. I think we all agree that his bizarre selections and tactics are deserving of abuse and ridicule.

    However I also think we have been far too easy on the players. Ultimately when all the talk is done and they leave the change room for the pitch it’s they who have to play the game.

    Regrettably most of them have been less than stellar and most of our stars have failed to show the form they exhibit for their clubs teams and the clock is ticking.

    Let’s start spreading the responsibility for our current position fairly.

    regards

  • fab

    that’s not true…look at there club form

    messi is the best on earth…..maxi aguero

    this is all the coaches fault

    even if you were right…its up to the coach to call up the best in form players

    100% maradumbass’s fault

  • Felipe

    Yeah, Fab is right: I don’t believe the players don’t try or aren’t as good as they are for their clubs. How many times did Messi dribble past players? The problem, as MaxiLopez and others have said is that there is no system built around the strongest players to help them. The system seems to be pass to Messi so Messi can dribble past players and then pass to himself for himself to score. Nonsense.
    I’ve been reading various match reports throughout the web and one thing that keeps coming up that I can’t stand is that Maradona has a weak defence because Argetina has weak defenders, that he picks Palermo and plays Tevez as a striker because Argentina don’t have anyone else. Nonsense again. Even Tim Vickery, whose usually very good, suggested this. We all know that Maradona could have picked Samuel, Garay, Gonzalo etc and that Cavenaghi, Higuain and Lopez are worth a look. This was all his choice.
    I keep thinking about the Paraguay game. I think if Paraguay play for a 0-0 they will get it easily. But I don’t think they will. I don’t think their defenders are as strong as Brazil’s so even Diego’s ill-shaped team can break through eventually if the players are as fit and up for it as they were Saturday. And surely the team is practicing right now how not to defend against corners and free kicks like they did against Brazil.
    The negative, of course, is that Paraguay can qualify with this win and ‘eliminate’ Argentina (or make it very, very hard for them) in the process which will mean a fervant crowd and very motivated players.
    Another negative of course is that Maradona still has to use the players he himself decided to pick and has lost the faith of everyone that he can even remotely coach.

  • Argentuban

    The tactics certainly do not favor Mascherano in particular. He looks horrendous on the NT.

    Everyone is either being played out of position or without the right support, or both.

    Maradona is using horrendous tactics with a bad formation and weak players in key positions (attacking midfield, central defense).

  • Argentuban

    If Maradona truly fields the same damn lineup only changing Schiavi, he needs to be committed.

  • procrastinator

    I’m wondering whether Messi will come out of this debacle, the same player that he went in.

    clearly he was psyched up for the match, Maradona reeled him in with all that nonsense about “becoming a Man” and this being Messi’s game. he’s never been so assertive and, having duly had his (and the team’s) metaphorical arse handed to him, he might lose a lot of confidence and joy.

    that’d be terrible, as Argentina would have more or less killed their best player (and potential best player ever).

    Maradona has been gravely irresponsible, not unlike the millions of people who worship him, imo.

    looking at the press, there’s quite a lot of flack aimed at Messi, people are taking the opportunity to have a bit of a backlash against “The World’s Best Player” (which is natural, of course) but this is actually undeserved.

    Messi could do little with the formation and the attacking “strategy” that Maradona imposed. Messi couldn’t legislate for Maxi falling asleep for the first half, for Tevez acting rash (as usual), for Datolo’s constant need to show his daddy (Maradona) what a talented boy he is…

    what amazes me is that, even in such an idiotic and chaotic setup, his tenacity and talent shone through. he was +forced+ to dribble a lot, and when he did, he usually had FOUR Brazilians on his back, all avenues closed. yet still he more often than not, evaded 3 of them only to be shunted down by the fourth.

    what the Argentina attack looked like, to me, was the Barcelona attack of ‘07/’08, with Rijkaard losing morale and patience. Messi back then was making runs to pull defenders away, to provide for midfield runs into the box, only they weren’t in-sync and the runs never happened.

    Guardiola is smart, he’s got Xavi, Iniesta, Bojan etc all looking to run behind players or come in from the sides, when Messi jinks past opponents near the box. they know Messi WILL see the runs, WILL get the passes to their feet and most importantly WILL pull the defenders away.

    look at that goal against Chelsea, they defended like Brazil (a little worse, imo) and when eventually Messi got the defenders out of position, he rolled the ball onto Iniesta for a fierce shot.

  • Argentuban

    I pretty much think Messi lost World Player of the Year in the voters minds in England this weekend. And we all know how the English media is loathe to give the award to an Argentine. It isn’t right, but it is what it is.

  • Felipe

    Yeah, I agree with you Argentenuban and and Procrastinator. The media always takes one angle, an easy answer, and runs with it until fiction becomes fact. Pity some people actually believe what they read.
    A thing with Tevez, Aguero,Messi and others born after Maradona was in his prime (or are too young to remember) and have only seen highlights and videos and are tring to be ‘the new Maradona’ is that, yes,Maradona did dribble past players and score wonderful solo goals but he didn’t do it every game. He didn’t scorelike that with every attack which is what they’re trying to do. Of course, they have no choice because Maradona himself, and Basile before him, have not tried to teach any sort of team game.

  • Felipe

    Argenuban, pardon me

  • skywalker

    Reading the TYC website, they listed the following changes could be made:

    Lopez for Tevez, Gago for Veron, Schiavi for Domingez and Salvio for Maxi.

    However on goal.com, they listed Aguero as the starter and Palermo on the bench!

    Whatever happens, it comes back to a point Maxi, Rune, Watch_10, procrastinator etc and other have raised forever in this blog, which is namely MOVEMENT off and around the ball carrier. A team moving as one forward and back. As you pointed out procrastinator, Messi gets that movement at Barca but not at the NT. From the above (if TYC is correct), It looks like Argentina will play 4-2-3-1. Not bad, but really it has to come with Salvio, Licha and Datolo moving in and around Messi’s runs. If Goal is correct, we’ll probably play some bizarre 4-2-2-2 combination. I like Salvio, but I don’t understand why not just stack the D and MF and just play Messi, Aguero and Licha as the 3 offensive players (Messi in the hole) and have defensive fill the rest if Maradona wants to defend with numbers as is indicated in TYC.

    My issue is that this isn’t something you pick up overnight. You need to train and understand your team mate as to where they will go and where they want you to go. And then you take someone as gifted as Messi who can do so many things at one time, it’ll make the team look that much more static. However, just by playing the above, we go back to a formation that most of the players can seamlessly transition in and out of. And that alone will count for something.

    My worry in a game like Wednesday is that with Gago and Masche, and little training with the above guys, we’ll turn into a 6-4 team. There will be no connection between the MF and Strike force and we’ll leave gaping holes in the middle of the park and allow for Paraguay to sit back and then burst with speed and choke the game off. And this set up is especially lethal against us as Brazil showed in 06 and 07.

  • skywalker

    One last thing on Tevez. Goes without saying that I’m a big fan and like you guys have pointed out that he shouldn’t be starting, let alone over the likes of El Kun, Licha, etc. Moreover, he’s not Boca Carlitos anymore and not as lethal or predatory as he used to be.. However, ever since Pekerman left, he’s never played in his natural position for Argentina. And his steady decline in performances reflect that. And then England made him worse.

    He’s not a #9, yet has been asked to play that role and hence not done well. So cut him a little slack. England, while allowing him to be a more complete player has robbed him of the Latin spice that made him such a prospect. I still maintain if you had placed Aguero in Tevez’s slot over the past few games, he’d have done no better. They just aren’t meant to play in that capacity.

  • LOL

    _CHUPAMARADONA_

  • Helge

    Pep Guardiola will cure Messi within some days, if he is a bit off. And I doubt that his performances with the national team will cost him the World Player of the Year award, look at the last winner CR7, he didn’t shine for Portugal either.

  • jean-jacques

    The brazil game will not have an influence on the FIFA award for the best player of the year. btw messi did not have a poor game, he had a very good game, he lost motivation when it was clear impossible for argentina to come back 20 min before the end of the game. i can’t understand from where the comments that messi had a bad game are coming from. leo was frustrated by the lack of movement of his team mates. messi is by far the best player in the world. he had always three to 4 brazil defenders close to him while nobody markmaned kaka or any brazil player.

    messi is the best player by farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  • alfio

    maxilopez
    i rarely watch games now,but you have to live under a rock to dont know what is happening,of course i want argentina to win,thats why i came back to write something.

    ken
    i prefer higuain,cavenaghi before lisandro and i dont rate cruz,denis and am not high on milito.

    1 player that i dont understand that why he has never been called up is ledesma of lazio.

  • aimar 10

    i told you guys that maradonna is going to be more stubborn than ever why have colocinni and burdisso on the bench and strart schiavi. and you know the starting striking partnership will be aguero and messi. we need a win so bad but instead we are preparing to loose. can’t anyone step in and do something. this guy just can’t keep making this unbelievable decisions and destroying the national team.

  • Argentuban

    What’s funny to me is all the Brazilian trolls are pretty much saying the same thing about Maradona that we are, only less eloquently. Isn’t that sad? LOL

    Sorry. Moment of levity for me.

    SKYWALKER,

    I hope TYC is correct. Lisandro in, Veron out, and some new blood in midfield would be welcome.

    Schiavi can’t be worse than what we had.

  • Argentuban

    On Tevez, I think we all acknowledge that he is being played out of position/in the wrong formation. Frankly, outside of keeper, who isn’t under Maradona?

    If Argentina do qualify, and that is a HUGE if, they need to use the friendlies they have to resolve their midfield problems as well as their defensive ones. Given that Aimar and Di Maria play together, that would be an obvious fix in my book. They have chemistry that we sorely lack right now.

  • procrastinator

    I’d be tempted to play the triumvirate of DiMaria-Aimar-Saviola. Saviola is my absolute favourite CF, he can do the lone forward thing to perfection. he’s done it for Barca (when given the chance), he’s done it for River Plate (from what I can remember) and he’s more than capable of doing it for Argentina. his touch and quickness of mind, perfectly suits a Messi-tempo game. with Aimar and Messi swapping positions and pulling defenders out of their lines, DiMaria constantly presenting an option on the left and a late run into the box… defenders will neither be safe staying in formation (Saviola going between them, Zanetti crossing in for either Saviola or the in-running DiMaria) or spreading thinly (Messi ripping through them with Aimar dinking the ball over (ala Ronaldinho-Messi partnership of ‘07-’08)).

    I don’t think Argentina need a tall man upfront, just for the sake of being tall, they need a quick man up front. someone who has the discipline and selflessness to just keep up there and fight for whatever sniff of a ball comes his way. that IS Saviola’s character. he never gives up on a ball, he’ll toe-poke, he’ll shin, he’ll scuff a ball into the net (ala Filipo Inzaghi) but he also has a great touch, can pick a decent pass (across the box) and (when absolutely necessary) we know he can dribble.

    or maybe have Higuain-Saviola up front, Messi just behind and to the right, Aimar in Central, DiMaria to Aimar’s left … Mascherano & Lucho (playing a sort of half-Iniesta, half-Gago role … moving the ball out whenever DiMaria and Messi have split the midfield wide open, leaving Mascherano on his own) … dunno, I can just picture this formation ripping teams open on the counter, whilst Aimar-Messi construct plays out of thin-air and Saviola and Higuain’s constant positional play leaves the defenders breathless and frightened…

    such a shame Zanetti is too old to contribute going forward … could have had my 4 favourite players in the same team (Aimar-Saviola-Zanetti-Higuain).

  • Argentuban

    I think we need Higuain or Zarate in the starting lineup for sure. They have strength to hold the ball if it gets rough. But yes, those 3 certainly will have loads of chemistry this year.

  • fab

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3GHOjy7QZg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leuHIaWUPvo

    check it out…i think maradona can only get the boca channel in his apartment so he cant see any european games

  • aimar 10

    i think i can name a better line up than the one that played brazil
    carizzo
    zabaleta-gonzalo-garay-samuel
    lucho-cambiasso-aimar-dimaria
    higuain-lopez

    the sad thing is most of these guys weren’t even called. we are going to struggle mightily again vs paraguay. since we’re on the road and desperate for points. the will just sit back and absorb the pressure. and at any given moment rip apart our weak defence.

  • Tuhin

    To hell with Diego’s 4-4-2. He is ONE of THE BEST players the world has ever produced, in the same time he is the world class ASS world has ever produced. I agree Diego must have only Argentine cable. So no way he can see the Euro talent. We have such abandon of players…TALENTED. We can take any team any time…if only our Managers were sane enough. AFA SHOULD GO FOR GUUS HIDDINK…IF HE CAN DO WONDER WITH SOUTH KOREA, AUSTRALIA…THINK WHAT WILL HE DO WITH TALENT OF ARGENTINE…that are being wasted by “COKE HEAD” DIEGO.

    That pain in the ass should think of going 4-2-3-1 (Agree with goal.com)

    ——ustari/carrizo
    zabaleta——Samuel——Demichelis—-zanetti
    —-Maxi———–Mascherano
    —Messi —–Aguero(Tevez)—— Gonzalez
    —-Mauro Zarate/Higuain/…any stiker who can score.

  • Tuhin

    Excuse my ignorance…Does Diego knows that we have a 6′-5″ center Defender/Defensive midfielder at sevilla, spain (Federico Julián Fazio)?

  • Tuhin

    Excuse my ignorance…Does Diego knows that we have a 6′-5″ center Defender/Defensive midfielder at sevilla, spain (Federico Julián Fazio)?

    And what is with not selecting Gabriel Paletta?

  • Tuhin

    probably we fans do more player searching then the NT coach

  • ken

    Tuhin,
    I like your Guus hiddink idea. But I believe that AFA would never afford to pay his salary because they do NOT love the national team enough to do
    what is best for the country; they would prefer to pocket the money among themselves. They have been at it for years, to be exact since 1986!
    Alfio,
    thanks for your response. I hope you have now put your personal life back together. If you watch Lisandro play for Lyons, you will be impressed; this fellow is on fire right now.

  • Riquelme
  • Riquelme
  • Tuhin

    Oh one thing….. FOR GOD SAKE….STOP one man show….Diego will destroy Messi’s career….i hate the way he is pressured to play all out game..Football is a 11 men show…one man will change the game not the fate…Brazil was given chances by the Argentine defender….The way they played i thought i was looking at Bangladsh football team’s defenders playing against Brazil.

  • Vick

    LMAO at the Brazil Game!!! Like someone had mentioned earlier, it would have been a royal joke if anyone had actually expected an Arg win over Brazil!!! The first goal OMFG!! I’m still getting over the traumatic sight of Luisao , absolutely UNMARKED , let alone like a free bird, rise up and head that goal in! What a friggin joke of a defense! It was like they just handed over a patch of Argentine soil (namely the penalty box ) to brazil! How friggin hospitable!!

    Argentina does not have an identity in its game right now. Our players either run around like headless chickens without the ball, or without any purpose when they do have it! The running of course does not apply to our defenders who seem to cherish and excel in their roles as stationary dummies used in training for practicing free kicks.

    Maradona as a tactician!! LOL!!! The guy can at the most strategize how to get his next pack of weed from his shoebox, or how to wear his underwear the right way (and I doubt even that, he’s probably worn the same thing for a long time now coz’ he sure knows how to STINK up the stadium!) , forget strategizing for football games!

    Argentuban I love your writing man, but you’re mistaken if you think the 60%+ folks are going to have their way. Maradona seems to have Grondona by his balls, probably has some compromising pics of the 2 of them together or something. I can’t for the life of me fathom how or why he’s continuing otherwise – with failures in his former experience as manager at club level, and can we say ROYAL FAIL at the NT level now.
    In fact i’m shocked that it’s only 60% and not more. One way it is possible is if it was an SMS poll and our Don Diego spent his time sending SMS’s of his own support!! Oh wait, he’s probably too naive to find out how to send an SMS! ARghhhh!!!!

    Vick

  • MaxiLopez

    PRO,
    I agree regarding Aimar/Saviola/DiMaria.

    ALFIO,
    Lopez is a pure monster. The violence in his shoots reminds me of Batigol!

    I agree SKYWALKER.

  • MaxiLopez

    VICK,
    I agree regarding Maradona. He’s is not a coach, not a tactician. He’s just a motivator. Maradona & BILARDO should be fired ASAP and Grondona should resign, him and all his “assistants”. But we are at AFA…

  • Watch_10

    Considering Bilardo’s past comments , I dont think the way our team is selected or played has anything to do with Bilardo.
    He is man of following extreme discipline but in our team we did not see that even during set pieces .
    The other possibility is that Bilardo selects the players and Maradona gives them only motivation, prayers and there is no one to really give them any words of wisdom or tactical mindset.

  • skywalker

    MaxiLopez.. one thing I have been meaning to ask you. You mentioned Bilardo could be behind the 4-4-2 and made your point on how he used Maradona in that capacity. However, I thought he used Diego in the role Messi is playing now late in his career, especially at Italia 90 (and that more so b/c Maradona was badly hurt and didn’t want him running all over the park). But in his hey day, Bilardo used a robust 3-5-2 and 4-3-3 at Mexico and always had strikers or wing men who would fly up to give Maradona at least 2 options at all times. Two of Pasculli, Burruchaga, Valdano would always stay higher than Diego giving him options to utilize.

    I agree in 92, Bilardo while feigning a 4-3-1-2, played a much more compact 4-4-2. Even though we had Dezotti and Caniggia as our strikers, and listed Maradona and Burruchaga as Mid fielders, it wasn’t so much the case and it became 4-4-1-1 with Caniggia leading the line and Maradona playing the free role with Dezotti and Burruchaga pulled back and asked to make runs from MF. And then with suspensions etc, it came down to a 4-4-2 as you said.

    But I agree with the premise of your argument and how it leads to Messi today. However, Bilardo ala 86, was a staunch defender of the 3-5-2 / 4-3-3 systems and that’s how we operated.

  • fab

    what makes me the saddest is that it will take 4 years to recover from this joke

    and in that time some awesome players will come and go from there prime

    say goodbye to aimar and lucho and saviola as well these guys will be too old in 2014

    say goodbye to having lionel messi playing at his best for country at his prime

    and most devastating say goodbye to the respect it took years to accumulate for our NT…we are the worlds laughing stock thanks to this one old stubborn ego maniacal joke of a man

  • fab

    im sorry if i sound negative…but im really angry and frustrated that the fans and people have no say

  • Watch_10

    In some news sources it says
    maradona is changing Goalkeeper.
    Sounds as if all the goals were Andujar’s mistake, I think he played well.
    So it does prove Maradona is a fantastic coach :-)
    It also proves that he has already with a lost cause giving play time to all in the squad , may be palermo will get a 60 mins playing time.

  • Vick

    Maxi – concur with what you said. Maradona is a motivator !! Ahead of the big games, bring him on to the locker room or show some damn youtube videos of him or something. Otherwise, don’t touch him even with a ten-foot pole when we’re taking manager/coach etc!

    Does the AFA even realize that Argentina is in grave danger of not qualifying for the world cup ?!?! Do they even care about this? For all those saying there’s still a strong chance , we’re still at 4th place etc etc, I urge you all to put the crackpipe down, and get your medication. As a football team, we haven’t exactly set the world on fire ever since. Here are the results since the fatal takeover:
    1. 1-0 Win against “powerhouse” scotland – friendly
    2. 2-0 Win against France – probably his signature win so far purely because of the scoreline. Keep in mind that France is a team in transition too – friendly
    3. 4-0 Win against venezuela (land more known for producing Miss Universes)

    Here on is where the shit hits the fan:
    4. 1-6 loss to Bolivia (yeah sure it’s high altitude, but 6 friggin goals?!) – 3 of the goals were conceded in the 2nd half , meaning no positive changes/tactics were made to halt the bleeding
    5. 3-1 win against Panama (yeah – they of the “panama Canal fame” ) but this was a friendly
    6. 1-0 squeak of a win against Columbia – world cup qualifier
    7. 2-0 Loss to Ecuador in a world cup qualifier – both 2nd half goals conceded
    8. 3-2 win against Russia – friendly. I’d consider this a more quality win than France. but it’s 1 win.
    9. 3-1 Defeat to Brazil .

    Hardly awe-inspiring.
    1. We defeated a bunch of minnows we were expected trash, but only a couple of games were we even impressive. Out of 6 wins under Don Diego, 2 games were of important consequence – Columbia and Venezuela (shiver shiver). That gives him a 33% chance of victory in matches of consequence.

    2. We lost 3 games, and all 3 of consequence. And we didn’t just lose, we got butt-raped in them.

    3. In most games, we didn’t have any 2nd half performance/strategy change of any impact.

    We have 3 games of any consequence remaining. With such awe-inspiring showing,how can one be any confident that we sneak out a win against Peru at home, , let’s not even talk about Paraguay and Uruguay in away games?!

  • fab

    so the stats say not including freindlies

    wins – 2
    losses – 3

    gf – 6
    ga – 11

    horrible….if it was pekkerman or basile in charge they would have been sacked

    if this was the premiership and it was man united…also sacked

  • Vick

    @ All, Ignore the 33% . Just like our Manager El Cokehead, I don’t know what frame of mind was I in when I typed that shit. 40% is the right number ( 2 out of 5 wins in the WCQ games) . Anyway, I’m sure that it didn’t make much difference to the opinion that his record still sucks ass.

    @ Fab – I feel your pain dude. My dream of seeing Argentina win a WC in my lifetime fades every time. Now thanks to El Cokehead, there’s not even hope that I might see them in all WCs in my lifetime !!!

    @Watch – interesting that he’s planning to change the goalie. On a related note, may I propose Sergio Goycochea as a suitable replacement? He’s 45 years old . that should be all the credentials he needs to be part of Don Diego’s team.

    I also read in goal dot com that Veron says that ,” We have no choice but to play a great game against Paraguay.” Woah, nice revelation Einstein!!!!
    What next?? Don Diego coming out and saying, ” I have no choice but to take a dump every morning?!”

  • Vick

    @ Fab- that is so true man. Thank you for summarizing the GF and GA stats too- just gives a good summary of the epic fail that we’ve been as a team so far. Pekerman was on such a short leash, and I don’t understand why Don Diego gets so many chances?!

    It might also be useful to mention that Argentina was ranked 6th as a team in the UFOB (Undisclosed Father Of Brazil) Rankings – more popularly known as the FIFA rankings , when El Cokehead took over. Prior to the Brazil game, we were at 8th. Expect us to drop out of the top 10 when the next rankings release in october.

    Just what is it with Maradona’s and Grondona’s obsession with screwing Argentine Football over?

  • MaxiLopez

    VICK,
    “Just what is it with Maradona’s and Grondona’s obsession with screwing Argentine Football over?”
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  • jean-jacques

    now the coke head man is going to play again two shorties up front, this man is really decided to eliminate argentina from WC2010. he has lisandro and milito who are in top form!! again and again why this crazy man is not moving into 4-2-3-1 formation. why in argentina people are not turning their back to this idiot, the press and the people should raise and even strike coz somebody can’t spoil a country resource and prestige that way!!

  • roman

    people I realy dont appreciate some bloggers keep refering to diego as cokehead, he is an awefull coach yes but look what he done for argentina as a player, im not saying lets get behind him but a little respect please
    regards

  • MaxiLopez

    Noooooooooooooooo!
    Maxi & Lisandro Lopez are injured! This is terrible news. We won’t win in Paraguay with people like Datolo or tired Veron/Zanetti.
    I hope Gago & Messi do the game of their lives.

  • MaxiLopez

    Some of you Higuain fans are going to become crazy: did you know that Lisandro Lopez was called by Maradona, even injured?
    I mentioned it when AFA communicated the official list for the Brazil game: he was recovering from an injury. I didn’t know that he injured himself again when training with Argentina this time (like Milito, what are they doing in the training camps? Boxing?). Maradona has called Lopez, Gago, Tevez, Veron who were all injured at the beginning. Palermo may really get a chance against Paraguay if Maradona decides to play a #9.

    Against Paraguay, we’ll have no bench. The situation is unreal.

  • MaxiLopez

    Maradona gives no chance to this team. Players are always different. They don’t have the time to get used to eachother. Maradona is even going to change our goalkeeper! After Carrizo, Andujar, it’s now Romero’s turn! People, what is happening to Argentina? I’m beginning to be really afraid of Diego…

  • MaxiLopez

    You guys thought it was Mascherano+10 or Messi+10? Wrong. It’s Heinze+10.
    http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2009/09/08/seleccion/01994281.html

  • MaxiLopez

    Against Paraguay, Maradona is planning to use Veron as our right winger in his simple 4-4-2. The old man will be out of position. Enough for me for today. Have a good day everybody (and don’t think about our futbol!).

  • Watch_10

    Some people were trying to search since when Maxi dipped in his form is it After Pekerman Left or Basile came or in between or later since Maradona came.
    He is the one who wake up after transition, got injured in friendly against spain (after Pekerman already left and Basile decided to be football romantic without thinking about any tactics).
    He returned when the team was in a complete disarray and he is continued to be used without any clear role not even clearly told that its a free role or unknown role. Surely its costing him high it started to reflect in his body language too.

    The world is waiting for Deigo Maradona’s fall from grace, as the neutrals and opponents laugh at it , only WE THE FANS will be in pain to see the final disintegration of a team, players who had so much beauty in the game.

    I hope we will rise after all this Maradona circus
    and come back stronger .

  • Debasish

    Tuhin, Ken
    I agree with you guys. If Hiddink can do wonders with South Korea or Russia he sure can do with Argentina. However, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND that this will not happen. But I stand by the idea.

    Felipe,
    I agree with you about Veron. I think he played well too. There is only one thought that went through my mind, watching Veron – IF ONLY RIQUELME DEFENDED AND WORKED THAT HARD LIKE VERON DID! HE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE TEAM!

    Maxi,
    Among your good comments, are interleaved, same predictable stuff (try to read it calmly, don’t lose your head :) ). There is a distinct difference in philosophy between people like you and me. You, seems, do not like change and want to try the same thing again and again. I would prefer to see something different, if things are not working.
    About the coach, I would request you to name a world class coach from Argentina in recent past. Someone, who is successful and whole world knows. Someone who has achieved something with a proven track record. Not from 1980s. Just screaming and shouting does not prove a point. Neither does by saying again and again. Need to back it up with data. Don’t give me your favorite, as I think your choice of personnel are poor (again try to take it as a feedback, I honestly wonder why would a guy like you, who seemingly understand the game very well would like Coloccini or Heinze (the now Heinze, not from 2005/2006) and not like Higuain). Let me give a name for you – Do you know about Pochinetti – I think that guy did wonderful last year. But that is too small. The MAIN reason why Argentina is struggling is because – inability of people to think out of the box. Every Argentina coach – Basile, Maradona & whoever else keeps dishing the same game to Brazil. Cannot think of something else. Pekerman, did the same mistake against Croatia, England and then again in Germany. It is said, in any profession or life, that – you cannot live long enough to commit all the mistakes and learn from it. Learn from others mistakes too. Be very sure, every team in the world is learning from these games, a dummies on – “How to play Argentina”. But Argentina cannot think of something else. Reason, I repeat, inability to see the problems and think out of the box. I am very sure you understand what I mean. THINK ABOUT IT! Note for you – I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL NEVER HAVE A FOREIGN COACH, FOR REASONS WE ALL KNOW.

    All, few observations on the game
    1. We had plenty of possession. The way we like (no pun intended).
    2. I liked Datolo. Hopefully, he has taken the place of Jonas. He keeps trying from distance and is good at it. This is required for a team who wants to dribble the goal keeper and score.
    3. Heinze played good. I usually have low hope on him these days & have criticized him. But he did good. He was the only aerial threat also. His crosses were bad though. However, even if they were good no one would have headed it home. So does not matter.
    4. The less we say about Otamendi & Dominguez – better. If only we had 2 good CD, we could have won the game. Simple.
    5. 3rd GOAL – Otamendi, he is so bad, that you feel pity. However, when Kaka made the pass we had 4 players & brazil 2 (including Kaka). Otamendi cannot read the pass nor has the speed to catch Fabiano. However, Otamendi is the one running after Fabiano and also picks up the ball from the net. What is our #2 doing. Jogging back. I would have expected him to cover the goal that Andujar left open. Not saying he would have been successful, but at least TRY! I can show at least 15 videos where second defender runs back to cover the goal. NOT DOMINGUEZ!
    6. Wish we had someone like Fabiano. Or a #9. Watch Tevez on 40 seconds. Did not even touch the ball. Crespo would have scored. RVN would have scored. Many others would have scored.

    This is a long post. Nothing new to say I guess. Lets hope a win tomorrow. I don’t care how. JUST QUALIFY!!!

  • Debasish

    Maradona expresses confidence against Paraguay :) This is hilarious :)

    God knows why he is confident.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2009-09-08-3175613270_x.htm

  • AURELIUS

    First of all to those Brazilian idiots who have come to gloat , you will not win next year. Any half decent European side will beat you.

    Thank Diego for the win.

    Argentina had the flair and willingness to attack as it was four days ago, while the Brazilians as usual received two gifts and scored on the counter.

    I love the Sky commentatord Keating and Birtles laud their defence when they by sheer flukes avoided drubbings from Ecuador and Uruguay and somehow contrived a draw and win.

    So what does that say about us then ? Not much. Nothing unexpected. We all knew the defence was useful as a sieve.

    Brazil have a great keeper but their defence is not the greatest. And et we could only score one goal albeit the best of the game from Datolo.

    Rune mentioned it and Diego is at fault. Why select two novices for the game at centre back.

    The Sky commentators were poor, obviously thinking because we have el numpto in charge and are calling up Tronco Colocinni and Schiavi at 36, that we have no defenders .

    What could be further from the truth ? We have them but they are wasting away in Spain. I bet there are wry smiles on the faces of Gonzalo. Fazio and Garay at the moment. They also have speed and physical presence.

    Seba Dominguez was at fault for number one. Zanetti gestures to him after the goal at what he is doing. Inexperience or lack of quality ?

    Goal three courtesy of a deflected pass. Otamendi looks like a carthorse trying to catch a Kentucky derby winner.

    To be fair both made some crucial interceptions and Dominguez nearly set up Milito late on but such basic errors as that for goal #1 are inexcusable at club level even low level football.

    And we have seen it in Bolivia when one long ball upfield ends in a goal.

    Who is coaching the defence ? Do they actually train at defending set pieces ?

    Andujars handling on long range shots is poor. He should have caught one strike early on and another palmed it out round the post but instead flapped it into the middle of the goal. Carizzo and Romero are superior.

    Heinze did is best to bring some width down the left. Zanetti until very late on stayed at home and when Masche gave away a pass right at the start of the second hald he looked laboured.

    It cannot help Masche that he had a poorish game but when you have a defence like that behind you it makes his job much harder . He is not superman .He cannot cover every error.

    Veron played reasonably well early on but during that second half many passes were hopeful,wayward typified by a useless potshot. He does not have the stamina to last. The sooner JRR or Pastore or AIMAR someone of that ilk is brought back the better,

    Datolo was a little wasteful at times but he carries a spark is inventive and fierce and Maxi did well enough sparking down the right.

    Tevez again is not a nine but held up the ball well and created the first real chance.

    Likewise magic from Kun and Leo. This is what I love to watch ,toe flicks, reverse passes. dummy steps , dribbling.

    But no end product. Can tyou blame Leo. The idiot Keatings described Kaka as winning the battle of the 10s but apart from one deflected pass and a couple of physical runs what else did he do ? He is not Socrates.

    Messi was chided by Ardiles as not being a team player ? Idiotic. Great players are not great individiualists.

    Time and time again Leo showed for the ball but Datolo did not play the ball back or Veron went laterally.

    Okay so Leo himself at times ie the missed pass to Milito cannbe faulted but the burden on him is too great.

    The whole teams overall movement is still too static and no one comes behind to front for Leo. In essence not enough room was created. In a central role he did well enough created his own chance with a lovely dribble.

    But there is no width to the play and when it was wide esp.earlyon in the first half down the right service was poor esp.from Maxi and Veron.

    And what was painfully onvious was a lack of sharpness in both boxes.

    First half a driven free kick runs across the six yard box .No one there.

    Late on the same problpem. Kun gets in on the byeline itself no one there either.

    Only in the second instance Milito was there. Poor game from him. Gilt edged chance wasted from Kuns pass. Perhaps we should have Higuain and Cavegol instead , natural finishers who might have dispatched it first time ?

    Its easy to defend when you have nine men behind the ball, and your giants are playing against players of 5′7 but you look at how the brazilian defence is organized.

    Cesar world class saves, smothering Milito’s effort v-v Andujar feeble attempt to close the **** Fabiano.

    Luisao blocking strikes, getting the body in there, making their physical presence felt, moving with the path of the ball.

    Contrast ours. Goal two for instance two players are marking no one and idly watch by as the pinball ensues in our box. Still no urgency to get in the box , throw in a block or tackle or just make themselves felt. It was appalling.

    Ball watching cannot be tolerated at this level. There is not a cultural malaise in Argentina regarding defence. Its not simple to say Argentina are now the masters of attack and Brazil that of defence.

    Argentina have always produced tough no nonsense defenders .El numpto had the services of Brown,Ruggieri,Sensini and Giusti to call upon.

    We still have the defenders with the quality but they are not called up.

    There is a palpable lack of comfort in the midfield knowing what is behind them and it adds pressure.

    Suffice it to say as watched with a growing mixture of rage,sadness, stoicism that one man is behind this.

    After the Paraguay game whatever the result he should at least do one honourable thing by resigning. Even the Boca fans to some extent are starting to loathe him and that is saying something.

    As skywalker says we still can qualify. But it is shameful having to rely on other teams to lose in order to do so. Shameful to lose to what is a pretty mediocre Brazilian team as in the image of their water carrying dung beetle (Mr.Anti-Football) and a disgrace looking at what riches we have at our disposal in all areas of the pitch.

    Spain are the number on favourites for 2010. But can you honestly say hand on heart they match up in terms of ability/talent to Argentina when the right personell are selected. Argentina would just edge it.

    What is losing us any chance of sucess is the manager we have. Thursday we must appoint a proper coach who can instill a system, play the right players for a match, and give the players that pyschological edge.

    They should fear no one. Not England, not Germany or Spain least of all Brazil at home (the crowd can not win you games el numpto). But when you get into a rut like this first of all under Alfio and now this idiot that winning mentality and confidence soon run dry.

    How sorry I feel for Leo. Yes he is rich and young but he want the ultimate honours not just for himself but for Argentina. He tried his best but when the tactics and personell behind you are wrong , you cna try all you like and still fail.

    Saludos in anger. And dream on Brazil. The beautiful game ?

  • AURELIUS

    Vick you make me chuckle again. It’s somethin at least amidst all the doom and gloom. ;)

    I would not worry but Leo wont be at his prime until 2014 & 2018 and we have all the fantastic young players we do have and coming up in the side as well so we will be there and thereabouts.

    It’s just a disgrace that one **** at the AFA and el numpto are ruining even the slightest chance at 2010.

  • Argentuban

    Maradona won’t resign, and won’t lose that position without kicking and screaming and blaming everyone for failing him and telling them how he is Argentina and how he is an omniscient soccer god and how no one else wears the shirt liek him..blah blah.

  • AURELIUS

    A coach has to express confidence Debasish but the man is an idiot.

    Yes he is the greatest player of all time and the way those Brazilians , masters of the beautiful game cynically kicked and hacked at him in 1990 only to be dumped out (how I enjoyed that match and their pitiful tears) were embarassed by him was enjoyable.

    But the boot is on the other foot. What he has done to the NT is unforgiveable.

    The mistakes are glaring and we can all see it but the man is in a world of his own.

    Thursday morning hand in your notice to Don Julio please.

  • Argentuban

    Sorry Aurelius. I disagree one one point – right now, Spain have a better midfield, defense, and keeper.

    They’ll have a better keeper in the Cup if we make it no matter what.

    If we call up the RIGHT players our defense might be comparable, but stille dge to Spain.

    Same goes to the midfield. Iniesta, Xavi, Alonso, Fabregas. I don’t think we have a better midfield even if we called up the best midfiedlers we have.

    We have better forwards. Much better – which is saying a lot giving who Spain has. We just don’t use them. Messi, Aguero, Zarate, Higuain, Lopez – talent-wise, that is the most talent in 5 forward players any nation has in the world.

    Now, if we got some team chemistry going, especially in midfield, it wouldn’t matter – because guys like Messi and Higuain and Zarate and Aguero could really turn on the juice then – they ARE that good. But Spain has a better team on paper. Of course, if Messi plays more of a midfield role with Barca this year and he does so for the NT, then we’re talking…..

  • Argentuban

    Conspiracy theory here – is Grondona and his mafioso nasty boy clique trying force us into the 5th place spot using Maradona’s idiocy to their advantage to make mroe money?

  • AURELIUS

    Maradona might call himself up Argentuban. You never know. He probably fancies another cap. ;)

    Not a pistol cap by the way. :) Those are for pesky journalists.

  • AURELIUS

    Re Spain’s talent Iker of course. But aside from Pique Albiol et al are no better, and Gonzalo and the likes of Fazio can match them indeed Dimi.

    Midfield. We have the players to match Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas. Masche owns the DM spot over Alonso and if only we did recall JRR ,Aimar and young Pastore all very capable ,even Delgado. They can all push and pull and pass just as well.

    Striking no contest and wingers wise di Maria who looks to be rounding out at last (not called up suspension would be over for Paraguay , is this another of el numpto’s pathetic ‘vendetta’s over the red card in Bolivia ignoring his own lack of preperation),Datolo , Maxi over the likes of Riera and Joaquin.

    It just that Spain have had two coaches with great experience and wisdom to utilize their teams talents to the fullest in Aragones and now del Bosque.

    We have Il Pagliacci instead. ;)

    Who knows Argentuban we might have to face a tasty playoff versus El Tri to fill in the Don’s coffers. A true bastardo.

  • Vick

    @ Roman, I believe you were referring to primarily me on giving the nomenclature to Maradona. I’m sorry to hurt your feelings man, it was all in good fun- just utmost frustration getting lashed out at the man as a coach/manager, and not a player and his achievements. Is Don Diego ok with you? :) All in good fun man, don’t take it so seriously. It’s just a blog. I’ll be damned if Maradona actually reads it. Well if he did, he’d have listened to all of us armchair managers, and we’d have won a few games eh?

    Thanks Aurelius! It’s just frustration pouring out man , nothing else really. Glad it cheers you up!

    Aurelius, I unfortunately have to disagree with you and have to take the side of ma’man Argentuban and agree that Spain has the better midfield (for now). The players who you’ve stated – let’s assume Riquelme -Aimar- Masche – and either of pastore/Maxi/Veron or anyone else, might match up individually – but it’s still on paper and I’ve rarely seen that midfield in reality. As of now – spain plays those 4 guys (xavi-iniesta- fab- alonso) who definitely produce on the field.

    Not to say that we can’t match up, but till we actually see it on the field, it’s just potential that can go either way.

  • HOAXoneder

    So here are some of the changes Maradona is making tomorrow.
    Out of the lineup are Andujar, Maxi Rodriguez, Otamendi and Carlos Tevez.
    in the lineup for tomorrow’s game is Sergio Romero (GK), Papa, Gago and Aguero. Lisandro Lopez will not play, tho he was considered for the Paraguay mathcup, due to some sort of injury leaving him out. I was hoping to see Lisandro in action since he has been breaking the net lately.

    Now we trully have to see how this team will react. They can either let the loss against Brasil trully break them….or it can motivate them.

    Speaking with of of my Brasilian buddies he pointed something out which I think is crucial and im sure we all have noticed it. The difference between those 2 teams is that Brasil plays like a team and Argentina is just not jelling yet or never will…..at least the aquad that has been out there. On paper it sounds great, I mean just the name Messi alone could scare opponents – but yet the individual play of these guys will not get us the win. Argentina needs to fix it’s defense badly. We need to start on defense and work there first…..get a solid wall. The teams that won the world cup in 78 and 86 had solid defense that was a pure wall. In 86 it was Tata Brown, Ruggeri, Cuciuffo who defended and left everything on the field. We need some hard nosed guys like that again.

    Im hoping for a win tomorrow…..but how things have been going my hopes will def not be high at all.

  • HOAXoneder

    AURELIUS great views on the game and players man.

    Im wondering why Aimar has not been brought up in the squad yet. I know he was injured a while back but thought he was in fool form already….he is a player overlooked too often and I think he could bring much needed speed for this team.

    Also what are your thoughts on a player like Damian Manso who has been playing great in Ecuador and has taken his club to many wins and 2 cups already. That guy I think would be a breath of fresh air in the mid for this team, he is creative and can get some great passes off.

  • rameez hanif

    A lot of people are criticising Veron as the reason for the defeat against Brazil but sorry guys that was not the case. In actuall the team lost beacuse of the selection of Central Defenders (someone should tell maradona that Argentina have world class defenders in Samuel and Gonzalo Rodriguez) and playing without a striker who is always available in the box. I really liked the way Mach and Veron combined in the first half. One thing that was lavking in the teams previous display was connectivity between the midifield and attack but in this match that problem was solved as Veron linked well with Messi, Datalo and Tevez. As he was starting play from deep so it was not possible for Brazil to mark him (as it is difficult for teams to mark Xabi Alonso) and he was always there to help masch and played his part in defending while Brazil have the ball so for me the best formation that will suite Argentina and bring best out of the palyers is 4-2-3-1

    —————————–GK————————————–

    RB——————CB—————-CB—————————LB

    ———————-DM———–DM———————————-

    AM————————-AM————————————–AM

    —————————-Striker———————————-

    GK: Romero, Andujar/Carrizo, Franco (will have Franco coz he has the experience of playing in big matches
    CB: Smauel, Gonzalo, Demi (he can also play as DM, Fazio/Garay/Pareja
    RB: Zanetti, Angelari
    LB: Monzon/Heinze
    DM: Masch, Veron, Cambiasso, Lucho (no Gago, he is a good player but is not ready for WC2010, his time will come in 2014)
    AM: Messi, Aimar, Aguero, Tevez, Di Maria, Zarate/Levazzi, Datalo (if Riqueleme agrees to come back then will take him over Datalo)
    Striker: Milito/Crespo, Lisandro/Higuian

  • jean-jacques

    roman, m not showing disrespect to diego, this is just too much of disappointments. diego has done a lot for argentina football but at the moment is just doing the opposite; destroying hope of an entire nations, of fans all over the world. why shouldn’t i say that diego is not back to coke? he is not taking any advise from any body, he is not picking the right players, his team selection is beyond normal and rational thinking!! this is normally leading people to wonder if he knows what is going on inside his own head.

  • Josimars

    Aurelius to go back to that 1990 match Argentina just got lucky. Brazil had numerous chances but it was just one of those days that nothing would go in and Argentina won. Now I must totally disagree with you for suggesting that Ardiles is an idiot for suggesting that Messi is not a team player. He is right. The Argentinian authorities have allowed messi to gain too much imfluence on the team. It is alleged that one of the reasons why riquelme is out is because he and messi does not get along. I can tell you that would not happen under Dunga and Americo Fario. Under these 2 men you leave your ego at the door when playing for Brazil. If any player dares to disrupt team harmony you out the door and that is the reason why they are doing so well. They are no untouchables in the team like under Parreira . Now Argentina is going to through a bad patch and that is not unique to them. Brazil also went through a smilar phase prior to 02 but they fixed the problem when choose Scolari. Argentina needs to do the same by sacking Maradona. He does not know what he is doing.

  • Watch_10

    On the topic of comparing spain midfield with ours
    firstly its true that we are at par but we possibly will not be as effective as them or atleast they have taken a preparation period and made themselves a great force we have lost our time to prepare one.
    Usually its Iniesta-Xavi-Senna-Silva with Villa Floating between the lines Guiza/Torres as target man. Iniesta-Xavi play together in the club they have telepathic understanding. Silva-Villa has the same chemistry. Senna is the game breaker but the way Xavi plays he makes him self reachable all the time so Senaa just need to look at one person that is Xavi.
    If we take the Substitution its Fabregas for Villa/Xavi while Xabi for Xavi/Senna or Cazorla for Iniesta but basically the whole system still works because they keep the overall system as same 1 game breaker, 1 game ticking while 2 giving the direction of the game . Biggest trait that Iniesta and Silva has learnt is to NOT to be selfish which our present crop (as selected by Diego) are .
    e.g. Veron although shouldnt have passed to Messi when there was no pressure on him, but Messi should have instantly game the ball back to Veron and that is what was expected by Veron/Tevez. But Messi decides a sudden turn and gets eventually tackled , the game is read by Tevez he also tackles ….rest we saw how Fabiano put it into the net.
    Basically the Midfield players were not a group of players .
    Now lets take Mache-Cambiasso-Riquelme-Aimar (rarely have we seen them together , may be never – but they have a very good understanding of the game so I think they might click) or Masche-DiMaria-Biglia-Aimar (Aimar & Di MAria play in same club have a good understanding , Biglia is a very clever player and unselfish too) or Cambiasso-Biglia-Dimaria-Maxi (Cambiasso moving to Mache’s role Biglia will tick the game Maria from left Maxi from right), there can be many combinations but the fact is
    GOOD INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS DO NOT MAKE A TEAM the COACH has to understand the players and whose game style can click together to a system.
    But in our case since Pekerman left no one ever thought of bringing players to form a system . A system is taught after years of coaching .
    Pekerman was doing his way since youth ranks but we wasted

  • AURELIUS

    No problem at all Vick. We have the players to match up but they will not be selected under this magician.

    And it does take time for chemistry to form for players to instinctively know what their team mate is likely to do and that split second difference is crucial at creating oppurtunities.

    Ideally I’d like Masche to sit and have di Maria down the left and Messi down the right flank with a more mobile AM like Pastore/Valeri/Aimar behing a front two of Kun plus Higuain/Cavegol/Licha.

    It is a game only after all as you say Vick but boy does it hurt to lose. :(

    The sadness is that you saw it in patches right from the start of the game, take the one twos right from kick off and some of the Leo-Kun interpassing. Who else in the world plays like magical one touch football like it ? And for those of use who wish for the beautiful game to suceed over the pragmatic ?

    If we had the right coach in place who knows what this team could achieve with two of the worlds best players in our ranks ? Who does not want creative beauty to suceed ? And it is still so tantalizingly far away.

    Spain on the other hand have melded their squad over four years now. One player drops out another drops in seamlessly. Pique replaces Puyol he in turn fills one of the fullback berths where they are weak. Out goes Torres in comes Llorente.

    They know what they are doing and when to change tactics to cope with Germany in last years final by congesting the midfield and playing the counter or playing three up against a slow Swedish backline.

    We sadly don’t have the luxury.

    HOAXneder regarding Manso he has done very well at LDU Quito (no doubt much to Alexa’s delight) and he played well against Manchester United in the WCC final. He has got very good set piece ability and a decent crosser and accurate passer as you say and has very ghood vision and has carried on his form at Pachuca but I don’t think he is better then what we have at present in his position.

    But I’d see no harm in giving him a runout in a friendly though age is not on his side.

    As for Aimar its a farrago this team. We bring along players carrying injuries and leave those fit so as Maxi points out our bench is paper thin for the match against Paraguay.

    It beggars belief.

    Rahman is right as well. Time and time again over recent tourney’s its defences for better or worse that win games. We hand over a two goal headstart and what is the purpose of us dominating posession having all the attacking play if it is to be undone by a pathetic defence.

    And there is no natural hunter in the box. Zanetti for instance even late on swung in as did Heinze two lovely crosses but no one was there not Diego and you might as well not bother with our mighty mini’s.

    How di Maria must enjoy playing with Benfica and having Cardozo to pick out.

    There seem’s a lack of anger among the players in the match. Milito looked like a lost puppy after his second attempt was snaffled by Cesar.

    No anger or bite. Appearances can be deceivng (I expect he was gutted inside) but that lack of steel was evident. The likes of the defenders you mention HOAXneder would have made their presence felt on the opposition forwards very early on.

    Today it might get a booking early on but the message would be we stand and defend our ground like the Brazilians did, each covering his own zone and tracking our players,closing down and throwing their bodies on the line.

    I suppose Diego did try to get them to impart width but that vanished as the game wore on and when this happens it makes it so much easier for the opposition to pack their area and our central attacks eventually come up against one too many players.

    You have to mix it up to keep the opposition defence guessing and create space by doing so. All Leo needs is a few yards of space but the movement thathe gets from those at Barca is lacking.

    Take his run in the fits half. He runs past three Brazilians in thirty yards holding them off very wellbut there is no receiver.

    Datolo to his left just stands there watching instead of taking his FB wide and Tevez with his back to goal and looking uncomfortable does not drop away from Lucio so that Leo can dink the ball into the space between defence and midfield.

    The passing was much improved esp. the first half and Veron did pick out some very nice passes but movement off the ball from players a hallmark under Pekerman was singularly poor .

    Saludos amigos. I’m sure the boys will do their best tomorrow and wear that shirt with pride. I know I would.

  • AURELIUS

    Yes there was a bit of luck in that game but there chances when Diego was in the clear and he was blocked off and what should have been a red card awarded as it was late on and rightly so.

    Messi and the kids have been rumoured to be causing dressing room trouble for Basile and the likes of Roman but Messi is a team player.

    He cannot so much change from being a selfless player at Barca to a downright ball hogger a la Ibrahimovic when pplaying for la seleccion.

    Its the system around him as illustrated by that example in the first half. Without him we’d carryeven less threat than we do now with the incumbents in the squad.

    I disagree with Ardiles assertion completely. Ardiles was the ideal push puller of the ball much like a Iniesta/Xavi figure whereas Leo is an attacking player looking to create chances. Whenever he does not see an oppurtunity he does not blithely carry on ignoring players in better positions he picks them out and goes back to restart the point of the attack.

    Watch_10 this is exactly it. We have the players to match up but as I said with Spain they have been preparing their squad for ov er four years and individuals know exactly what they are doing.

    It’s a real shame to see the products of the Pekerman/Tocalli system floundering in a tactical mishmash, where new players (most of them not up to scratch while the good ones languish in the wilderness) are thrown in at random seemingly every match.

    Players at NT level have scant time to familiarize themselves and this idiotic policy makes it worse.

    If we had the right coach,right personell Argentina should have waltzed qualification and be playing sumptuous attractive wiining football. And I reiterate the sadness is we all know it can be done but not under the people that are in charge.

    Managers the world over would kill to have the talent Argentina has available to play. But like someone said earlier its like handing over the keys to a Ferrari F550 and turning it into an Austin Allegro.

    Saludos amigos.

  • Debasish

    Team against Paraguay -
    Mariano Andujar, Javier Zanetti, Sebastian Dominguez, Gabriel Heinze, Emiliano Papa, Juan Sebastian Veron, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Gago, Jesus Datolo, Lionel Messi and Sergio Aguero.

    No change as such, hope we win. Heinze as a CD is better.

    I have nothing else to say.

  • Debasish
  • Rune

    ABOUT FORMATIONS AND PLAYERS IN BILARDO’S 86 AND 90 TEAMS:

    In 86, Pasculli played just two games. Maradona was mainly used in the position Messi is now. As an attacking midfielder/second striker behind Valdano. In 90, it was just the same. Maradona behind Caniggia. Dezotti played a few minutes in the game against Jugo and he played in the fina, that’s all. Bilardo used 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 in most games in 86 and 3-5-2/-3-5-1-1 in 90.

  • MaxiLopez

    DEBASISH,
    “You, seems, do not like change and want to try the same thing again and again. I would prefer to see something different, if things are not working”. What the hell are you talking about? Would you like Argentina to test a more English style and throw long balls to little Aguero/Tevez/Messi to see if they can get the ball with their heads? Please. I’m an open minded person. Argentina has its own identity, like any country in the world. Argentina will lose with it, and win with it. Sorry but if you don’t understand this, then there is no reason for you to support Argentina. Regarding the great coaches from Argentina, I let you check the archives when myself and ALBO were discussing about them. I like Coloccini & Heinze because they play for Argentina. I will always support players who belong to the team, even the ones who should not be part of it (the only exception being Pato and don’t want to remember about him). Vamos a nuestros argentinos quien jogando bien o mal, carajo! PS: Otamendi is not bad. I wonder how you would have managed such a pressure against Brazil if you were on the field. The kid was thrown by Maradona in an arena full of lions.

    AURELIUS,
    Our potential is far above Spain’s. This is true. On the otherside, Spain’s management has been logic: they use the same group of players for at least 3 years, built around their efficient 4-3-3. The only difference with us is called chemistry due to a normal management of the team. Regarding our players versus Brazil, don’t be too severe. They are lost, under pressure. It must not have been easy for Dominguez, for example, to be started for the first albiceleste time. I didn’t have the time to read your last posts!

    ARGENTUBAN,
    Did you know that Spanish coach Del bosque has said that, in his opinion, the best central defender of la liga is… Gonzalo Rodriguez!

  • Felipe

    Starting Otamendi now is the equivalent of starting Roberto ayala in 1994 or Demichelis in 2002: yeah they were both playing then but not ready for the national team….Gonzalo would be a great defender now but probably wouldn’t have been in 2006. It’s up to a coach to tell the difference between who is ready and who has potential.
    I don’t like the look of that lineup at all. I thought the one skywalker put up earlier (the original one that was proposed with Lisandro, Salvio etc) was making the best of the bad situation but alas. As such, Maradona persists with a version of the Tevez-Messi-Aguero duo which put simply has NOT scored goals.
    I’m gonna keep quiet about tomorrows game; I have my hunch but I don’t wanna say too much. I will say that a lot has been made of the recent Paraguay–Argentina record but when you remember the games that is not so much the truth. In Copa America’s Argentina have played well against Paraguay, in 2004 Bielsa fielded a young Argentine team and they created chances but no goals…last year if it wasn’t for Tevez’s sending off and a Heinze mistake Argentina played well with just 10 men. The game in 05 was when Paraguay really needed to win and Argentina had already qualified. If Lisandro or a number 9 started, I would feel confident to say Argentina score 2 goals tomorrow. But with Messi and Aguero up front again? Who knows? Again,Maradona’s fault for not picking a strong enough squad. Of course there’s always the problem of how many Argentina these days concede as well and that’s a BIG problem.
    We’ll see. But I beg for a victory, any sort will do. I’ll take Maradona’s patchwork team and a mystery World Cup over no World Cup and Maradona getting sacked. I dunno what I’ll do if Argentina don’t even qualify.

  • Zanetti

    Maxi Lopez

    I totally agree on you with Gonzalo being one of the best central defenders in la liga according to Del Bosque.

    Infact Pareja was really praised last season for his brilliant performances in helping Espanyol escape relegation. There is another defender we have in Serie A in Hugo Campagnaro, he was brilliant too for Sampdoria but sold to Napoli and in the past 2 matches he’s been in the Serie A team of the week. If Maradona picks Denis, Datolo, Lavezzi so why not Campagnaro?? The best system we should use is a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-2-1.

    Zanetti..Dimi..Gonzalo..Heinze

    Mascherano

    Banega Aimar

    Messi Aguero

    Lisandro

  • Zanetti

    Zanetti…Demi…Gonzalo…Heinze

    ………Mascherano…………..

    Banega……………..Aimar

    ………Messi…………..

    ………….Aguero………

    …..Lisandro……………

  • maradona

    Sack Maradona. Enter Riquelme. Hello World Cup!!! :)

  • Argentuban

    Maybe Riquelme will be rejuvenated and will have a desire to prove the doubters, especially Maradona, wrong. If he is fit and runs and doesn’t quit, which is a big if, but if he does that, he’s ideal.

    A side note. I do not think Mascherano should play alone as DM. He and Cambiasso together, with Aimar, Di Maria, Maxi in the attack in midfield would be ideal. Messi with Higuain up front. Aguero, Zarate as supersubs (and I mean super).

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    we do need Cambiasso back asap. I dont know if riquelme will solve our problems, he is much better than veron for sure, but riquelme is the type of player that is only effective if the whole system is built around him.
    Gago still has alot to prove, I hope he will be ready tomorrow. Messi should not play up front in a traditional striker role, i dont know how many months we have been saying this.
    who has a link to stream the game tomorrow.????

  • HOAXoneder

    The lineup for tomorrow is as listed per Diario Ole which is usually 99% accurate since they have media with the team and was at the practice today.

    Romero;
    Javier Zanetti, Domínguez, Gabriel Heinze y Papa;
    Javier Mascherano, Fernando Gago, Juan Sebastián Verón y Jesús Dátolo; Lionel Messi y Sergio Agüero

    Hope we get a much needed win tomorrow.

  • josi

    Somehow I find it hard to give Spain much ratings. They are a good team and thats it. Teams that can run and play counter attacking like the US will give them trouble. Also this arrant nonsense perpetuated by some commentators that they did not take the Confederations cup seriously is hog wash. Belgium gave them too much space. Players like Fellini should not be playing in that position he doesn’t have skillset to play as an attacking midfielder he should be playing as a defensive midfielder like what he did against brazil in the Olympics. The US will always give spain problems because the players are fast and is not afraid to hit them on the counter attack. The 3/2 against Brazil was not a fluke. However Brazil made some adjustments in the second half and won the match.

  • ArgentineFan

    I think this is our best lineup. Hopefully Diego gets sacked so it can become possible.

    —————GK——————
    Zanetti—Demichelis—-Samuel—-Insua
    Maxi—–Mascherano—-Cambiasso
    Messi——–Higuain/Lopez——–Aguero

  • ArgentineFan

    I think this is our best lineup. Hopefully Diego gets sacked so it can become possible.

    —————GK——————
    Zanetti—Demichelis—-Samuel—-Insua
    Maxi—–Mascherano—-Cambiasso
    Messi——–Higuain/Lopez——–Aguero

  • ArgentineFan

    By the way.. anyone know any good streams/channels for the game. I Paid 35 bucks for the Brazil game on PPV, and I don’t think I wanna pay that amount again.. especially since we’re currently playing like shit.

  • Argentuban

    My reason for the whole conspiracy theory deal is because we have that friendly against Costa Rica, who is looking more and more likely to be our opponent should we get 5th place. That’s all.

    The AFA needs to be burned to the ground, and Maradona and Grondona need to be locked up. One in an asylum, the other in prison.

  • Argentuban

    And another thing, it’s one thing when Maradona does his disgusting shtick about Pele losing his virginity with a boy and all that crap as an individual, but as the manager of the NT, he needs to shut up. That kind of crap is grossly unprofessional and sad.

  • john

    I think we can all agree that Maradona when he’s manager or not should conduct himself with some class. Comments like that about Pele are simply unacceptable.

    I hope I am not repeating someone else’s remarks but unfortunately I have had to speed read through them.

    Point 1

    I stated in an earlier post that responsibility for our current position should not entirely rest on Maradona shoulders and the responsibility should be spread to some of the players. I know some of you have disagreed with this but I don’t think you can objectively say our best players have shone.

    Yes it’s the managers tactics and call ups but I have been bitterly disappointed with some of our top players.

    Point 2

    I have had it with some of the Argie apologists. The most recent example being the Brazil game. Someone had the audacity to suggest they played negative and we played the “beautiful game” which besides being absurd “beautiful game” in this context is always code for loosing. Argy will never win with the undisciplined type of football some are advocating, it aints just Brazil who will blast through that type of football…..it aints the 70’s anymore …the game has changed.

    Albo use to be a regular poster but to our great loss he hasn’t written in awhile. We use to butt heads a great deal but we agreed fervently on the above points.

    Point 3

    Sorry about the mini venting I guess I’m a little tense about the upcoming game.

    Point 4

    WE WILL WIN Domani……………Vamos Argentina, Forza Messi, Allez Aguero

    regards

  • MaxiLopez

    Clubs in Argentina are dying. Great River and its own mafioso (Aguilar), as the best example.
    Juniors are leaving the country earlier than ever before, almost for free.
    AFA needs the government money to make the league survive.
    AFA has named incompetent coaches for the NT and kill our chances.
    Despite all its wonderful talent, Argentina hasn’t won a WC for decades (2).
    All this to say that chaos has been brought to the futbol country #1 because of this federation. For only one of these reasons, AFA should be rebuilt from zero.

    “The AFA needs to be burned to the ground, and Maradona and Grondona need to be locked up. One in an asylum, the other in prison”. Yes ARGENTUBAN. What I am saying is really bad but even our barra bravas aren’t doing their job…

  • MaxiLopez

    Against Paraguay, we’ll see if Heinze can control the defence line. His partnership with a great defender like Ayala must have given to him a great experience in this area.

    I’ve always believed we are dependant on 3 players: De Michelis, Mascherano, Messi. Javier & Leo could be suspended against Peru if they have another yellow.

    FELIPE,
    Pekerman had big expectations for Gonzalo for 2006 but got terribly injured.

    ZANETTI,
    Aimar is an enganche, not a left midfielder.

  • Watch_10

    Lots of posts says Pekerman did bad substitution…
    earlier in 2006 I agreed but now considering the matches seen again and again … and using logic … my point of view is that he had no option but to go for the substitution (Although he forgot about Odonkar who later came on the wings )

    Anyways not all will agree, but for me Pekerman/Tocalli period was Argentina’s golden period in football… the below blog gives a good detail
    about him
    http://black-white-and-grey.blogspot.com/2006/10/jose-pekermans-argentina-retrospective.html

    Time to shred off the memories of previous game and look into next…
    so what do we expect a compact counter attacking game by us ? I think so but not sure how effective it will be against paraguay if they also decide to just sit back and use the weak spots of ours on counter.

  • procrastinator

    Aimar played brilliantly as a left midfielder for Valencia, under Hector Cuper.

    he debuted in Europe against Man Utd. and made life so difficult for them that at half time Ferguson took Beckham off because he needed to pin-back Aimar with a couple of other players.

    Aimar was on the left of midfield, occasionally hugging the touchline (with Beckham his opponent), Claudio Lopez was often the furthest forward attacker, receiving long and accurate passes from Aimar. John Carew was there at the time, I think, functioning a little further back – more so that he could get knock-downs and headers into Claudio Lopez’ path.

    Aimar is a bonafide genius of a player, a joy to watch, it always puzzled me that coaches would choose Riquelme or Veron over him. he was/is far more of a flamboyant player than Riquelme, far more expressive and attacking. Riquelme to me is like Xavi but not as effective/useful, as he can’t break up play nor intercept passes – something that Xavi does quite regularly.

    in fact, thinking about it, Barcelona’s Xavi-Iniesta mechanism looks a lot like the Riquelme-Aimar mechanism that functioned brilliantly at the 1995 World U20 cup in Malaysia… Riquelme would see more of the ball from the defenders, Aimar would present more of it to the attackers, and between them, they would pass the opposition to death.

  • Watch_10

    Riquelme-Aimar combination at senior level is the the fall back plan of Pekerman (R16 vs mexico) , Basile (Final Copa 07)… but due to the fact that its a planB or panic button it never gave the desired results (ok in WC06 vs Mexico it had its impact but it was still a gamble).
    The reason (I think) is due to the the fact that the other players choosen around them do not fit the system of this combination.
    If they would start together the team will be as per them meaning No room for all Tevez/Messi/Aguero only any 1 would play. There is a need for a poacher who is clever we dont have any one apart from Crespo. Due to the attacking dimension of the team the defense needs to be reshaped meaning either 3-5-2 (we dont have defenders to do this) or 4-2-2-2 (we dont have fullbacks to handle this) , another choice comes whether to play Maxi/Cambiasso/Lucho (Gago is sure NO No if we want both Roman + Aimar), I would prefer Banega/Biglia. Macherano would be a Must without him the defense will crumble….

    IN SHORT … we did not prepare this as plan A ever and on plan B we cant replace more than 3players so the system basically do not get effective.

    Basile had enough time to work on this formation but he never got over his Boca connection.

  • procrastinator

    Watch_10, Argentina do have phenomenally clever attackers, proper poachers, aplenty. it’s not ever been about a lack of talent. Saviola is the best poacher Argentina produced (imo), better even than the more limited Crespo (whom I liked but, having enjoyed Batistuta’s game for so long, it felt very unsatisfactory to then be forced to watch Crespo).

    Fernando Cavenaghi was great back in Argentina, Claudio Lopez functioned as a box area predator for Valencia quite often, even the hot streak of a Lisandro Lopez is quite promising of cunning, guile and stealth.

    I think Argentina have always had the players, the coaches just chose not to use them (politics, ego, personality, injury worries… whatever the reason, we’re all human).

    Pekerman’s policy of Riquelme dependency was more a reflection of his fatal romanticism than of his astute tactical management. if Aragones, Del Bosque et al can play Spain around Xavi-Iniesta (and remember, at Barcelona, Messi IS the focus) then there’s no reason why an intelligent Argentina coach wouldn’t be able to forge a substantially stronger weapon out of the astounding material at his disposal.

    as for worries about defence, they are quite simply a distraction. Argentina can’t defend, they couldn’t defend under Pekerman, they didn’t defend under Basile and they sure as anything won’t defend under Maradona.

    the best that can be hoped for is that possession = reduction in chances for the opposition. Argentina can retain possession, that will have to do.

    get the team working to its strengths properly first, then build up the defence around the players available (the ones coming up) there’s no other real choice that I can see.

  • roman

    AURELIUS
    sorry m8 but spain have a much beter team than us at the mo

    iker beter than any keeper
    ramos beter than zanetti
    demi and pique are equal
    albiol is beter than who ever plays there
    capivilla* is beter than heinze

    iniesta, xabi and alonso are beter than masch, veron and gago

    and torres and villa combined not individualy are much beter than tevez and messi

  • MaxiLopez

    WATCH10,
    I have the same feelings. Nice to read from you. That Riquelme/Aimar combo was my (futbol) dream. I promise you guys I’ll do a video about it (ARG VS MEX).
    “3-5-2 (we dont have defenders to do this)” Oh yes we have them, we just don’t have a decent coach who could train such a system during 2 years non stop (like Pekerman). Heinze, Samuel, Burdisso, Coloccini, Gonzalo know how to defend 3-5-2. Basile and Bilardo don’t have the cleverness to find the defending alternative of the 5-3-2 (Basile even defended 5-2-3, he’s a pathetic coach). Pekerman had found the alternative thanks to the clever use of Sorin, Maxi & Cambiasso/Lucho: attacking 3-5-2, defending 4-4-2.

    PRO,
    If I remember well, Cuper played Aimar as an enganche. Anyway, in general, when the team defends, the enganche of the 4-3-1-2 defends on the left of a 4-4-2 (four men midfield). This is what Pekerman demanded to Roman versus IC. And this is what Aimar was doing under Cuper right? What I was saying is that your 4-3-1-2 is suicidal with Aimar as a left midfielder.
    The creative potential of Aimar/Riquelme is far above Xavi/Iniesta’s. I believe it’s even ridiculous to compare them. Aimar/Riquelme would have played a futbol from another world, especially with Messi! I agree with you, we have great #9 (especially Saviola & Cavenaghi even if they aren’t mediatic).

  • MaxiLopez

    ROMAN,
    I totally disagree. Spain have a coach, we have a “motivator”, that is the difference.

  • Watch_10

    Saviola is surely a good player but he has a major disadvantage in terms of height, so he needs to have some partnership who can take advantage of height Crespo, Higuain etc.
    There is no doubt argentina has abundance of talent and some how the management finds its way to shoot the team in the foot…bad selections,bad coach , strange tactics and at times just bad luck.
    My point was Aimar-Riquelme combination needs lot of time to click since it needs a particular set of players around them who can form a system some reasons being Riquelme do not try for the 50-50 balls , Aimar does try for them but usually ends up getting injured in that duel (basically we dont count them much to defend, but do we expect #9 to defend or Messi to defend ??). So to make a total of 11 players and a system that is effective it needs to sacrifice few big names , for which our NT coach need to have balls… I doubt that any NT coach (any countries ) has got that balls .
    I do not mean its a bad idea, I have been a firm supported of this partnership since both can play as #8, #10 also , if there is a need Riquelme can play a #9 too, and Aimar as Media punto too.
    Riqueleme can play deep lying playmaker as well while Aimar can play at both flanks as well as the middle.
    At this moment that partnership should be tried only if we want to target next Copa and forget about the upcoming WC.

  • MaxiLopez

    I forgot to say. That “romantism” that Pekerman believed in (without forgetting the efficient defensive system that suited) is WANTED by the people in Argentina. We play “romantic” futbol because we are specialist in that department. Unlike what people like DEBASISH thinks, this is what we know how to do best: play futbol, keep the ball, with patience, making the opponent run. This is Argentina, and the argentinos know it. They know that Argentina doesn’t know how to counter attack or defend 95 minutes. We are good with the ball, not without it.

  • MaxiLopez

    WATCH10,
    I didn’t know you were a romantic dreamer like me.

    ————-Carrizo————–
    Zanetti–DeMichelis–Samuel–Insua
    ———Lucho–Mascherano——–
    –Messi—–Riquelme—–Aimar—-
    ————-Lopez—————-

  • Watch_10

    If we want to compare the presently selected squads for Spain and Argentina then surely Spain is better but if we want to compare Argentina players and Spain players and make the best teams then I think Argentina will have an edge over Spain…but in reality …as Maxi said we have a ‘Motivator’ who inherited the mess from the previous ‘Man Lost in Sea’ and Spain has a coach who inherited the team from the previous coach.

  • MaxiLopez

    WATCH10,
    Thanks a lot for the Pekerman tribute article you posted.
    I wonder if that Linda is the one who perfectly managed our little blog. She was great.

  • procrastinator

    My use of the term “romanticism” was meant to emphasise his flawed theory that only the ball needs to move fast, thus allowing Roman to remain the team’s focal point (its “toll booth” as Valdano called him). it’s the verbal pun of Roman in romanticism.

    it’s no less romantic, in fact far moreso, to have a series of interconnected triangles from midfield to attack between Aimar-Riquelme-Messi and Mess-Aguero/Saviola-Higuain/Lopez …

    there is a subtle but powerful difference between patient passing and passing because you’ve run out of ideas/avenues. Riquelme only had ideas when the opposition had no discipline. otherwise it was a case of passing back, passing sideways and waiting for waiting’s sake. that’s where Aimar’s skills and invention would have helped. Aimar would get between the opposition DMs and slide a quick pass to a Messi or a Saviola (look at how fast and fluidly he passes between DiMaria and Saviola at Benfica) … it would be joyous to watch AND effective.

  • Debasish

    New York times article and a comment.

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/09/08/sports/sports-uk-soccer-world-argentina-maradona.html

    “Even if he loses the next game 20-0, his image won’t be affected,” said Jorge Godoy, 55, who has dedicated a whole room in his soccer store to Maradona merchandise. “What he’s done in the past can’t be taken away.”

  • procrastinator

    for Valencia, I think Mendieta was the “engache”; Baraja and Mendieta took two thirds of the central area, with Baraja bringing the ball-up, occasionally distributing it out wide but usually connecting with Mendieta so that he could pick a pass.

    man that Valencia were good to watch (before Cuper got too rigid) Baraja-Mendieta-Kily-Aimar-C Lopez … very very entertaining team (gave Liverpool one hell of a scare too! :D ).

  • Debasish

    MAXI LOPEZ
    You are so hot headed :) Someone said it before too. Calm down dude!
    YOU ARE SO SHORT TEMPERED YOU DON’T GET IT AT ALL. Its so mundane to debate with you. Also very funny indeed. As an effort to try and explain to you for the umpteenth time – Changing does not mean playing like England, then all here would have been England fans. Changing could also mean trying Lucho & Aimar, like Pekerman’s 3-1 win over Brazil. Change could mean trying Licha. Change means plenty of ideas people discuss here. Change means an idea that we are not thinking about. IT DOES NOT MEAN LONG BALL! SEEMS LIKE YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL.

    FINALLY, CHANGE MEANS WHAT procrastinator SAYS ABOVE. AN IDEA. WHICH WE WILL ALL LOVE. HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT LONG BALL. READ HIM LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT THE GAME (just kidding :) )

    About the coach – I am still waiting for a name from you. I consider it as a failure on your part.

    Also, your logic is so flawed – You like Colo and Heinze as they are Argentine but not Pato :) You are a riot man! LOL! Hilarious!

    Anyways, its not a blog to debate with you. One thing is common we all want Argentina to qualify right now. Nothing is more important!

  • Watch_10

    I dont think Roman was without ideas at any time, but unfortunately his team never had another outlet that is not his mistake that was the mistake of the coach to not having a plan B.
    Moreover why should Roman Riquelme always would be looking for that miracle pass, Xavi/Xabi do not always look for that Miracle pass.

    Maxi, I
    would prefer not to include Zanetti and Lucho at the same time
    If Zanetti plays then I would put Maxi/Cambiasso , but I could not find
    any player who can play right back as well as centre back and is not afraid to make runs. Moreover Zanetti+Insua adds to a little bit of indiscipline to the romanticism, may be Monzon will be preferred by me.

  • procrastinator

    Watch_10, Riquelme alone = a very easily limited game but, Riquelme with Aimar = more options for forward play. that’s basically my point.

    Riquelme’s talent for spotting a pass is excellent but, when the opposition remain disciplined, his forward avenues get clogged up easily, then he becomes a liability because the whole team is built around his forward play – Saviola, Maxi, Crespo all making runs for him.

    it’s only partially a criticism of him, that he can’t pull defenders/DMs out of formation by approaching them with the ball but most of all, like you say, it’s a criticism of the strategy of playing a one-dimensional game around Riquelme.

    I was only elaborating on my comment about the untapped potential that an Riquelme-Aimar axis had. I didn’t/don’t understand why it was never given the chance to blossom.

  • Watch_10

    I could not find any reason other than NOT having the BALLS TO BENCH BIG NAMES like HEINZE(may be he is related to Grondona),Aguero,Tevez etc
    Somehow it seems our coaches are already thinking that Messi+Aguero/Tevez has to play there is no other option so after adding Mache and Zanetti + Heinze + GK we are left with only 6 places to make a team , so a poacher is left out, but we do need a pair of CB so its actually 4 places left considering Zanetti and Heinze are too young to play, we need 2 players to cover them so Maxi and Jonas are the only one who can really do it, Maxi can additionally play good too so we are left with 2 players who can run the midfield… so lets make Tevez as a starter since he is running all day long since joining ManU. Well now there is lottery for only 1 player who can take it Riquelme/Aimar/Lucho/Di Maria/ or who…lets try Veron…

    Where is the place or intention to try really good team , here we did not even think of an effective or good or ball playing team .

  • MaxiLopez

    DEBASISH,
    If you are going to insult me each time I want to exchange ideas, then lets stop discussing. It always ends like this. An English tactic was just an example. For years, you are trying to convince everyone that Argentina must play like Barca. You have never respected the futbol culture of this country. You never stop. You claim yourself an albiceleste fan but one day you praise Jonas Gutierrez, 6 months later you destroy him (you did the same with Cavenaghi, Aimar). You hate some of our players, including Heinze and of course, Coloccini (the guy is always on the table with you, I don’t know why). Btw, i’m calm. Again, check the archives, I don’t have the time to tell you names of coaches you wouldn’t probably know. I come here on this blog since 2005 to read people like PRO or WATCH today, not to argue with people like you. You can insult me here: maxilopez9@yahoo.fr. At least, we will avoid this monthly pathetic scene in which you are involving me. Llore en la casa de tu madre, eres estúpido. Vamos Argentina carajo.

  • MaxiLopez

    WATCH10,
    As fans, we sometimes don’t see some things. Players like Heinze are mentally strong and experienced. Maradona considers him like a soldier. They fight like tigers on the field. Also, we never know what happens in the locker-room. I’m pretty sure that Heinze has a huge influence among the group.
    There are so many examples of ordinary players in starting 11 who are like coaches on the field. Just to name one: French Didier Deschamps, in 98 and 00 could have make his team lose (VS Paraguay, Portugal). But tactically, he brought France where they had never been. Same goes for Veron, nowadays or captain Coloccini in Pekerman’s youth teams ;)

  • Watch_10

    I completely understand Heinze’s involvment in the squad, its just not in NT he was a leader in the Real too thats why he played at club level inspite of so error prone performances.
    But the point is why him as a left back (let him start as CB or keep him at bench put him as sub) when we have chance to play /flourish some good left backs for future , may be they wont make as much mistakes as him.
    Moreover with him and Zanetti together the team looses the mobility,
    Zanetti adds his conistency but not fast or pressing enough,
    Heinze adds his grit presses his opposition nicely but most of the time outof position or gets out run.
    For us best option is to play 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 but … who is listening..??!!! possibly no one

  • Watch_10

    I have a strong belief that if we move out Zanetti(from playing 11), Veron(from squad), Heinze(from playing 11), Tevez(from playing 11) we will be able to reignite ourselves in the field.

  • AURELIUS

    Roman I’m talking in regard as Watch_10 points with those players that should be selected in place of the ones we have now notably at the back.

    Then we’d find Argentina to have an edge. And Capdevila is not exactly the best defensive fullbacks I’ve seen at NT level. The number of times his opposite has gotten past him with ease have been far too numerous but going forward I agree he is superb and very creative.

    Excellent posts Watch_10 and procrastinator.

    We have encountered teams with defensive discipline who will man mark, close down space efficiently and are aerially dominant and at these times passing for passing’s sake ,laterally and back is simply not good enough unless of course we are already up.

    The constant efforts of solo dribbles are only rarely likely to result in a goal and we need that combo that can perfect those quick one two’s to get our players into space.

    Aimar and Messi are instinctive in this and both are not static. By simple movment off the ball they dusrupt the opposition’s defensive plan and cycle positions around the pitch.

    This area of Argentina’s play has been sorely lacking since the Copa ended.

    We do not stretch the game enough as well. The odd ball over the top with the pacy forwards we have would cause the opposition to sit back and allow our midfield room to breathe .And width is a problem too.

    Its all about space. Its too easy at the moment for the opposition to shut us down the way we are playing. Messi has the space created for him by the X-I combo down at Barca with Iniesta often ghosting pass an opposite to deliver a ball into space. That seems lacking with the seleccion.

    Regarding the defence I’ve highlighted two of the goals we conceded. One against Bolivia from one goalkick upfield, the other Luisao’s header.

    That is not even low level club football defending. Its utterly shocking to see in top level football.

    Questions have to be asked about who is organizing the coaching sessions ,who is doing the video analysis. It isn’t hard to defend. You make sure each player knows who the dangermen to hit are, make sure they close the space, get the tackles/headers in, and communicate with each other, something for example Andujar looks lost at compared to other keepers who organize the defence.

    And infront make sure the forwards close down space,harry the opposition defenders and the midfielders close down potential passing lanes. It all seems to be missing aside from Kun ,Carlos and Leo valiantly chasing down the likes of Luisao and Lucio.

    A half decent coach should be able to get the defence organized. Italy’s current crop of defenders are not their best in a while but they still operate an effective unit.

    It would also help if we actually selected the best defenders we have, those who have been tried ,tested and suceeded in the highest level of club competition.

    Gonzalo for instance. Pareja who had a solid season for Espanyol. Fazio and Garay who bring physical presence esp.aerially.

    Fullback wise ideally with the current crop we should play 3-5-2 with wingbacks but there are better FBs than the ones we have currently.Angeleri is rought and tough as they come and down the left flank Ansaldi has not been tried or even Pillud who has started very well at Espanyol.

    You get them together and coach them as a unit, put in your alternates at the training sessions, make them watch videos. It all helps.

    We can become tough defensively as we have been before and used to be known for.

    Yet again though el numpto is changing players. Surely the players we have should be able to play two games in a week as most players in the WC qualifiers are doing. We still have the embarassment of Papa around the NT. I tell you he would struggle to get into my local team.

    I myself would like to see this in the near future:
    ———————-Carizzo——————————
    –Zanetti——-Dimichelis—–Gonzalo———-Ansaldi—
    ———————Mascherano—————————
    Messi——————————————-di Maria-
    ———————-Aimar——————————
    —————–Aguero———————————-
    —————————–Higuain/Licha—————

    or more defensive:
    ———————-Carizzo—————————-
    –Angeleri——-Dimichelis—–Gonzalo———-Ansaldi–
    ————–Mascherano———————————
    ——————————–Banega——————-
    ———————-Aimar——————————
    Messi——————————————-di Maria-
    ———————Higuain/Licha———————–

    France and Portugual whilst not as talented as us also are suffering. What do they have in common ? Incompetent coaches. Domenech and Queiros. The former an astrology obsessed idiot the second no more than a decent juniors coach.

    Saludos.

  • Debasish
  • Debasish

    Maxi
    I never insulted you. You did. You know what you said few days back. Never mind. I do not insult anyone like you do. You know it. You start it with all.

    I agree with you on, this blog is not about two of us :) , its all of us.

    Dude, like you say English is an example, similarly, Barca is an example. Many people like Argentina and Barcelona. Its a logical choice. Take a vote. When Jonas plays a good game I say it. When he plays a bad game I say it. It does not mean I don’t like one. Read about Brazil game what I said. I did say Heinze played good. Also Veron. Read it.

    I started ignoring you, you keep coming back. Look at all the archives, who gets after whom. Some posts here are too good. That’s the reason I come since 2005. Not you Maxi. You are not the reason, you are too naive.

  • day1star

    great posts, totally agree with you aurelius

  • skywalker

    first of all can I just say this has been one of hec of a debate. learned a lot from what you guys wrote. kudos to all you guys, keep it up.

    I was gonna debate some of the things you mentioned but then I read the link to Marcela’s blog that Deb posted. and some zingers that just had me floored. how about this:

    “The real danger here is actually if Argentina win tonight. Then a false sense of optimism may take hold, and the urgent need for Maradona to appoint a coach who knows what he’s doing – Maradona never gets up in the morning so for the last week the players have been training for short spells in the afternoon – will not be addressed.”

    For a guy who knows very little about the technical aspects of soccer and then chariots the ‘love of the shirt’ for him to not even put in his best efforts and train these guys to the best of his limited abilities is just inexcusable. A real tragedy. It’s not so much that I didn’t know this or that the results themselves haven’t spoken for it, but this showed me how appalling his behavior.

    And the following just killed me. I don’t know why but it took everything out of me.

    “The exception, Javier Mascherano, who was named captain before he even met with the rest of the squad before their first match, had to shoulder the burden of knowing that going to South Africa would be “Mascherano and 10 others”. Mascherano broke down in convulsive sobbing in the dressing room after the Brazil defeat.”

    I feel so badly for the players. It sounds very specious for some guy on the internet to say this on a blog but I actually have met Masche and talked to him for a fair bit when I met him at Newham during his downtrodden days at West Ham. Got a good sense of the guy; and for some reason reading what Marcela wrote above and knowing the type of guy Masche is, his reaction after the game just killed me. My heart goes out to all of them for playing for this fool. Just terrible. I feel like crying now.

    And it touches upon something Marcela wrote in her article that when results go astray, the collective is brought down and everyone will start to question themselves and as a result their confidence is shattered. I just hope they’re mentally tough enough to rebound vs Paraguay.

  • skywalker

    I must really be out of it, sorry for the multiple English mistakes in the last post.

  • Vick

    @Debashish – thanks for the link man . It was a hard-hitting article. I even lost my pathetic sense of humor for a while there !

    It exactly hits the priceless question – how to achieve the short term goal of winning tonight’s and other games, qualifying for the WC ,AS well as losing Maradona? A paradox if there ever was one . :-(

  • jat

    Relax guys, i know you all very well, MAXI,Debasish, watch_10. Honestly i love reading your post but just not the debating part. We all know whatever is going on with our NT is frustrating and leads to different view n options. Sometimes people agree and sometimes dont. We are all here for our NT our love n this blog has been part of my life. i come n read it everyday but seldom do i comment.

    Guys leave the argu behind and let’s concentrate on our upcoming match which is quite vital to our automatic qualification. Guys does anyone know where can we watch the live streaming, last time i tried rojadirecta.com it gave me a bit of prob since the streaming doesn’t last more than 10 mins.

  • Asil

    The only thing I can think of about our managers/coaches is Pekerman knows his players in and out since at youth level. He even knows what Scaloni can do or can’t do. At senior level, the only thing he needs to do was to identify the right combinations. The players know his system, know what to expect from him. 2006 is a special moment, when the right man for the right team.

    Other than him, the managers can’t seem to find the right formula. Too much Messi-that, Messi-this, next maradona hypes, which creates individualistic focus above the team and Diego makes it even worse. Even his name creates unnecessary attentions. I really don’t care about the names, just throw away who you are, just be part of the team.

    Defense doesn’t seem to improve. Year after year, we can see a lack of focus and discipline, and it becomes like cultural thing. Every critical moment, when we MUST defend we FAIL to defend. There are countless examples, that I’ve highlighted since this blog started. We’re very poor at our set piece defense. I remember Crespo not just about his scoring, but his defense. If we continue to play midget players, forget about the defense.

    I love Mascherano, but I also hate him because he has no attacking threat. Masch and Gago is a bad combination. Basic plan for the opponent, just defend our forwards. These two players don’t scare anyone. Even worse, we don’t have fullbacks. Sorin and Cambiasso come to my mind. There’re lethal.

  • jat

    sorry i meant diff opinion. i just got back from footie and drank a bit.

  • AURELIUS

    Thanks Debasish for the link to the article.

    I guess we should not be surprised. El numpto’s training sessions at Mandiyu for instance were more in line with a social club gathering.

    No wonder the team is not putting performances in. I doubt any analysis is done or serious efforts to rectify mistakes or look at players.

    I guess he thinks we will do it all off the cuff. And the part about Bilardo is right so he hasd no input either which I think we can all have guessed by now.

    The fault lies with the **** who made him coach and the idiot himself. A good coach sends his players out onto the pitch with an idea of what they should play to, the opposition’s weaknesses and strengths in their minds and a sense of paternal confidence imparted into them.

    I doubt very much he can or has done any of those things and I hope the players for once revolt and go to the media and voice their concerns publicly and express no confidence in a coach/manager who gives them none.

    I expect they know having worked with proper managers that the idiot hasn’t got a clue.

    We’ve heard rumblings such as Heinze expressing bewilderment at the exclusion of Higuain and I hope it explodes. This may be the way unseemly as it is ,in a wholly unseemly business and typical of the shambles the AFA has presided over to get rid of the curse hanging over the national team.

    Vamos vamos Argentina. Always and forever.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE1I6k6oaik
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj3axDv1iEo

    The players can do it despite all the handicaps placed in their way. :)

  • AURELIUS

    Asil that is spot on the defence but I disagree regarding Masche.

    From his time at River he has the ability to come forward and unleash some fierce drives outside of the box.

    Pellegrini if he becomes our coach (someone save us) could use him in a similar role he asked of Senna at Villareal where as the DM/HM he was asked to come forward on the attack and scored several goals from outside of the box.

    We also Masche have the confidence to be seen in the area several times under Alfio, but its quite clear that el numpto is tasking him to protect the paper thin defence behind him.

    He has no confidence in them probably and great player thathe is he cannot mark several players all at once. He would be superb if he was asked to target maybe just 1-2 midfielders of the oppposition but he seems to be firefighting all the time and his own confidence seems low.

  • toddutah

    I hae taken a low profile as of late with an over load at work. I apologize but I have really enjoyed all of the comments. I have my ideas about whhat formation should be played and what players should be called up but of course it does not matter for todays game since many of the players I like are not even available.

    I coach many youth teams here in Utah and I always tell my players that skill and talent will win over less talent as long as you play together as with energy. I see this all the time at the youth level where the better talented team loses because of lack of speed and energy. Our team needs to field players with skill, talent , and speed with maybe one veteran to help in leadership instead of a team with 6 starters over 30. Because we cant seem to find a strong set of central defenders I believe that we must consider moving to a 4 2 3 1 with a double five. I was originally agains tthis but since we cant seem to field a strong defense we will need to play this way. If Heinze does play he has to be the left central defender. In todays game I would play this line up;

    ————–Romero—————

    Zanetti——-Colocini——-Heinze——-Papa

    ————Mascerano—————Gago————-

    Datalo—————–Messi——————–Lavezzi

    ———————-Aguero————————–

    Vamos Argentina!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anybody that says that want us to lose is not a true Argy fan!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Argentuban

    I want us to win, but I want Maradona to be fired after we do.

  • Argentuban

    Portugal has hope. Malta and Sweden are 0-0 at 52′…

  • HOAXoneder

    Guys quit wishing Argentina and Maradona bad luck. We gotta hope Argentina wins and qualifies for the 2010 WC. Yall can’t seriously hope Argentina loses just so that Maradona can get fired…your not thinking straight if your in that mindframe.

    Lets not forget…the qualifiers for the 1986 WC were horrible…Argentina did not qualify till the last game and every game was a struggle. No one believed in the team and everyone wanted Bilardo gone. Later that summer in Mexico that team came together, played excellent and won that World Cup.

    If you are an Argentina supporter…..you support them through thick and thin!

    Vamos Argentina!!!!!

  • Asil

    AURELIUS, we should go for Masch with minus Gago to create attacking options in the middle. Gago only suits with this combination: Masch + Riquelme + Gago. Masch is improving all around with Liverpool but always with Alonso. Veron indicates that. But why Veron?

  • AURELIUS

    We can e-mail the AFA though and as a global supporters network as such voice our concerns over the direction the seleccion is taking and our displeasure at the coach.

    It probably won’t mean a jot, but some of the disquiet might filter through.

    afa@afa.org.ar

  • AURELIUS

    Asil Masche is no playmaker. Unlike a deep lying Pillro for instance. With Alonso gone he has been uunable to set the likes of Torres free on a long pass for instance and his attacking vision is not great thiough he can carry the ball well.

    His defensive vision is superb , but he must getting eye ache knowing that there are usually two opposites free and having to decide who to chase all the time.

    It stiring him physically in games and mentally to the extent he looked a touch jaded in the second half. Poor chap.

    Veron can act as a deep playmaker he has the range of pass if not stamina with Masche just feeding him the ball.

    The oppo’s will try to sit on him with their AM so we need an AM up the pitch and wide mids tracking back to create the angles he needs over the oppo full backs and space for his receivers either Aimar say or a soel forward (which may be a problem as aside from Licha they are a touch fragile and Diego Milito is too slow to create space but has to have the ball fed to him directly).

    My candidate for the deep playmaker would be Banega .Such vision and range of pass with a mobile front four and the ability to carry the ball with ease and play those lobbed passes that the likes of Messi thrives on at Barca from X-I whilsty providing some defensive cover ,though not much say as a Gago or Cuchu.

    Too often Masche gets stuck with his co DM sitting on him providing no options for him and then Alfio decides to throw in a third DM to bung it up further so there are even less outballs upfield.

    The game is about space and also the distance between players and running into it.

    I’m sure the boys pride is such that we can do it. Paraguay are tough opponents but are not in sparkling form either. A sneaky 0-1 win will do and Diego resigning tomorrow as well.

    Many Boca fans would agree…traicionó a su país.

    Saludos amigos :)

  • skywalker

    HOAXoneder… you forget that Diego played in only a limited number of qualifying matches, and that too towards the end only. That reflected in the poor qualifying record. but there was a team, system and vision in place as to where Bilardo wanted to go with it. His flaw was that it was overly dependent on Maradona, but that didn’t shine itself during the WC as Diego came through.

  • MaxiLopez

    Wow, so many interesting posts. Nice to read from you guys. Nice to see you back ASIL.

    AURELIUS,
    Your second lineup is very balanced. What a team we have, it’s incredible.
    Yes, Portugal & France are in the same boat than us. I still think the situation is worse for us because Maradona is respected & idolized by our players. What they’ve done to Basile will not happen with Maradona. I am watching France who in a similar situation than us (they are unable to attack, to move and use Gourcuff’s creativity because of their coach’s ignorance).

    JAT,
    I’m sorry about bringing this little issue in public but the guy is on my back for months. He has my email address so it should stop.

    SKYWALKER,
    Your English is good. Keep posting, even in chinese : )
    How was your meeting with Mascherano?

    Good luck everyone. I’m afraid Paraguay will play the same game than Brazil. Whoever is on the field, whoever is the coach, vamos Argentina.

  • carrysh

    so nervousssss… I want Argentina to win so bad, but I want Maradona to be firedddddddddd and locked away till the end of WC 2010

  • procrastinator

    goodluck Argentina, I’m sure you’ll make it to the worldcup!

  • toddutah

    Do we have a confirmed starting line up ?

  • Argentuban

    Well we are now in 5th place, officially. Hopefully Uruguay keep us there…

  • toddutah

    Sergio Romero; Javier Zanetti, Sebastián Domínguez, Gabriel Heinze, Emiliano Papa; Juan Sebastián Verón, Javier Mascherano, Fernando Gago, Jesús Dátolo; Lionel Messi y Sergio Agüero

    This is what i am reading will be the starting line up .

    Wow I will be cheering loud but I cant help but look at that starting line up and wonder how they would fair against this team.

    Romero

    Zanetti———-Gonsolo——–Samuel————Insua

    ————-Mascherano———–Cambisso———————-

    Messi——————–Aimar——————–Zarate

    ——————–Higuain——————————–

  • toddutah

    well Ecuador is now up 3 to 0. We are officially in 5th place unless we win today.

  • Golazo

    or tie

  • skywalker

    Maxi.. I asked one of my clients who I’ve known for a long time (who is somewhat of a soccer aficionado) to introduce me to Tevez when he got to West Ham. He knew how much I liked Carlitos and I also wanted to get an autograph for my little cousin. So of course when he called me over to the restaurant, I looked at him and then right in front of Mashe said to his face “You’re not Carltios”. He laughed, I apologized profusely, explained to him why he caught me off guard. Still felt like a tool.

    The reason Marcelo’s blog really disheartened me was that from his body language, although his words didn’t express it, he was furious he wasn’t playing. He looked miserable. But when we spoke about the Olympics, his face lightened up as he wanted to avoid West Ham and you could tell how much pride he derived from speaking about Argentina and it just saddened me to see how far in the tank Maradona has sunk this team. Warriors like Masche who leave everything on the pitch are being dragged through this mess. It sucks because I’m sure all the players are hurting but how can you lash out against Maradona. What can you do? I dunno, just struck a nerve seeing our NT go down like this.

    The good thing is that since expectations are so low, if we manage to sneak into the WC, I won’t be disheartened if we bow out in Round 1. But getting to the WC, that’s another story altogether.

  • Argentuban

    No. 5th on tie break, no?

    Uruguay scored an early goal.

  • Argentuban

    Argh. Red card on Uruguay. C’mon, hold on…..

  • day1star

    some really good posts, guys.
    Reading wat Marcela said makes me feel really sad, first Basile, now Diego, this generation of players deserve a lot better.
    U know building a team around any one player is a flawed concept, we have not just messi but lots of great players. So, there should be no need for one player to shoulder all the pressure, this is a team game, where u play with one another for one another, with the same goals and that is to win for your country.
    With regards to Diego, he inherited a bad situation and seems to have compounded it.
    Whichever players u pick to play, u need to play to their respective strengths and play them in positions which are suited to their abilities, not just willy nilly throw players together and hope something pays off.
    All our youth teams play with a diamond formation uptop, and since most of our players have played in the youth teams they know that system, so y the hell are we playing 4 4 2? And the other question is y is there no pace in our back four? They are all slow, and in my opinion too old, especially when you consider that the game has become more physical and fast.
    And whi is going to take the set pieces? Veron? He was crap against Brazil, not one free kick was of any use, and he was well out of it in the second half and should really have been subbed.
    Anyway, regardless, let’s hope we win, today, coz i couldn’t bear the world cup if we weren’t in it.
    Vamos Argentina

  • Rune

    Looks like we won’t get much help tonight….Equador won. Uru leading 1-0 at half time.

    I just wanna say that it is important to respect our tradition and play the fotball we have always played…possesion, short passing, the tango. BUT it is extremely stupid of us to be too romantic!
    If every other team in the world ADD to the strenghts they allready have by learning how to counter attack a bit, how to defend, how to create anything from set pieces and defend set pieces, and we just focus and only the things we are good at and always have been good at…..then we do not have much chance in the future. It is too naive, in my opinion. We will be surpassed by many teams.
    Keep our traditions, but ADD to that by developing a plan B and C. That is the future.

    This is my dream 11 at the moment:
    ————-GK
    —–Gonzalo-Demi-Samuel
    Maxi——————–Insua
    ———Masch-Cambiasso
    ————Messi
    ——–Aguero–Cavenaghi

    :-)

    I will be very happy with a scrappy draw tonight. I guess we will have another humiliation….I don’t think this team will perform well under pressure…and there’s so much pressure now in all of the remaining games. Well, I hope to God I am wrong.

    Good luck to all! VAMOS ARGENTINA!! FOREVER!

  • Rune

    3-5-2…with Maxi and Insua as wingbacks.

  • HOAXoneder

    OK – please post any streams when possible. 50 min till the game.

  • Amit Singh

    Day1star…plz post some links for the game…somebody said rojadirecta was not working last time ??
    Good luck Argentina

  • day1star

    ok, hold on

  • day1star

    any of you guys got sopcast?

  • HOAXoneder

    Yeah what channel? Sky TV 3?

  • Argentuban

    Uruguay winning is helpful. It keeps in 5th regardless of the result tonight. And it also means that when they play Ecuador the 10th, one will knock the other off of their perch, or draw.

  • Maximilian

    colombia red card

  • day1star

    u’ve got sopcast? channel-6099

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    hold on Uruguay…. Columbia just got red carded…. whos got a link, only 30 minutes left

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    I used to use spocast but it now makes u download all this bullshit: browser etc….. what else is there?

  • HOAXoneder

    Ok good look day1star. Have not used it in a while…lets see if it works ha

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    columbia scored! omg…this is bad

  • Argentuban

    this is bad. yes.

    hopefully it stays a draw.

  • Rune

    colombia 1-1 now…

  • Argentuban

    What minute is it?

  • day1star
  • day1star

    hold on hoaxender i’m going to give u a link to download tvuplayer, it’s better than sopcast, it’s my installer so it’s virus free, and also pic is good and won’t go off during the match.

  • Helge

    Anybody’s got the line-up from Argentina?

  • Rune

    gol uru…2-1

  • day1star

    right god knows where i’ve put the installer, here’s a direct link, install version 2 4 7 2, it’s good, for everyone eklse who wants to watch the match and can’t watch it on tv, install tvu player it’s on shanghai sports

  • day1star
  • Argentuban

    The lineup is ridiculous. Gago ona wing and Veron in the middle with Mascherano and Satolo on the other wing. Messi and Aguero as forwards.

    Papa, Heinze, Dominguez, and Zanetti at the back.

  • HOAXoneder

    day1star I have TVUplayer….where is it playing on there?

  • HOAXoneder

    Argentbaum you mean ridiculous as in good or bad?? HA

  • Argentuban

    Bad.

  • HOAXoneder

    ok I see you said it’s on Shanghai…gonna tune in

  • Argentuban

    The bench is comical. Palermo, Schiavo, Bolatti, lol………..

  • HOAXoneder

    LOL I dont understand a PEPINO they are saying

  • HOAXoneder

    Argen haha ok just making sure. You know nowadays Ridiculous also means something GREAT. Yeah I don’t see what type of damage we can make on the field today…..but lets just hope we get a draw at least

  • day1star

    ok, guys i’m gonna watch it downstairs on tv, good luck, tvuplayer shanghai sports should be fine, otherwise i posted all the working links i could f9, enjoy.

  • Rune

    3-1….88 mins

  • HOAXoneder

    Diario Ole just reported that the announcer at the stadium said “Hello to all the Argentinos who are about to be left out of the World Cup”.
    Man if that ain’t motivation to go out there and rip Paraguay to shreds.

  • Rune

    no milito on the bench…WHAT IS DIEGO THINKING? Schiavi and Palermo!

  • sorin

    what channel is it on the tvuplayer?

  • http://! Alexa

    I have it on SHANGHAI SPORTs of TVU PLAYER

  • Leo

    Vamos Argentina!

  • sorin

    alexa, how do i find shanghai sports////lets go argentina~~~

  • Maximilian

    shanghai sports is down?

  • http://! Alexa

    SHANGHAI SPORTS IS DOWN ARGGGGHHH

  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    im on channel 72433…not working? help!!

  • Maximilian
  • Sorin Naaa Mean?

    Maximillian!!!! you are the man… im going to send you a present if we win.

  • Leo

    check http://www.atdhe.net/ for live streams

  • http://argentina.worldcupblog.org Christian
  • Leo

    fuck paraguay just hit the side post.

  • Jonathan

    lucky were not down 1-0 paraguay hit the post

  • Maximilian

    Sorin, I wont get too excited. Way we are playing we’ll be lucky to get out alive.

  • mfgt2

    Veron yellow card

  • HOAXoneder

    POST again!!!!!!! Man what are we doing?

  • Leo

    paraguay hit the crossbar again!

  • Leo

    the defense is letting us down yet again

  • Argentuban

    holy fuck

  • Leo

    we need subs NOW!

  • Maximilian
  • Argentuban

    All I have to say is even if we win, if they do not fire Maradona, they are all total crooks and morons.

    This has been bad already.

  • Maximilian

    gol paraguay

  • HOAXoneder

    Thats it man – thats it. We are out.

  • Leo

    this defense is beyond a joke.

  • Argentuban

    What a disgrace. Maradona must be sacked. At halftime.

  • Maximilian

    we are now in 5th place unless we tie

  • HOAXoneder

    How can he juke 3 players, make a pass and then Romero just looks at the ball. Diego needs to go.

  • AURELIUS

    We are lucky to be not 0-2 down before this. Lovely goal the sort of stuff we should be playing.

    But three men around the ball and they cannot get the abll.

    Seba Domnguez is so slow….. Paraguay carve us open on the counter at will whereas we are giving the ball away and not making anything of the counters.

    At least we are playing with width but the defence….. The gao between Heinze and SD is enormous and Heinze is being dragged to the left constantly by his own volition .Gago’s passing is wayward and Papa one awful cross …

    We are being made to look like one of the poorer teams in CONMEBOL. Its a disgrace.

  • mfgt2
  • HOAXoneder

    Whats a joke…they are saying Palermo will come in

  • Argentuban

    Veron hit the fucking wall again!!!! UUGGHHHHH HE SUCKS!!!

  • Leo

    nothing is working, this is disgraceful.

  • HOAXoneder

    Any good streams.

  • AURELIUS

    Incredible that Argentuban. He has been appalling over the last two games. And set pieces are so vital in the game as it is.

    A dreadful display all told. :( At least Romero looks comfortable. Nice to see Pareja on the bench wondering what circus he has gotten into.

    Palermo to score the equalizer ? :(

  • petro

    Will Julio Grondana atleast realize now? He better find a replacement to save his Job…

  • Argentuban

    They look terrible.

  • Leo

    i feel bad for maradona, but its his choice to pick such poor defenders.

  • Native Son

    Oh Jesus!

    I am not believing this. We look radarless.

  • Argentuban

    FUCK MARADONA! OK? FUCK HIM!!! HE’S TOTAL SHIT AS A MANAGER AND HE NEEDS TO BE SACKED!!!! HE PICKED THE SQUAD, HE DECIDES THE TACTICS, HE DOESN’T TRAIN THEM WITH DISCIPLINE!!!!

  • HOAXoneder

    This is awful. What team is this playing today? If we continue like this – man I do not see this game ending good in anyway. We are lucky to only be down 1-0. Nothing is working, players are standing around, making bad passes and horrible decisions. This is the same as watching vomit hit the ground…..it’s horrible and stinks to watch this team play.

  • day1star

    quite frankly, the passing has been poor, gago has been horrible, so has mascherano and veron and messi, they look like they have lost their spirit, i want to slap diego, he’s an arsehole coach!

  • http://www.bookmakersonlinebetting.com/ bookmakers

    We really need to win tonight in order to breathe easily…

  • AURELIUS

    Maradona is responsible as the so called coach. The players have no pattern, system or confidence and most of the ones being selected should be nowhere near the seleccion.

    He’s a useless **** and the fat pig in the AFA should also be made to parade in Buenos Aires and apologize to the fans.

    Paraguay should be 3-0 up in this one. We have not created one chance, not ONE…….

    I shudder at the thought of Crapa or Sebadom facing anyone not necessarily without skill but any degree of pace.

    Its bizarre to drop Otamendi in favour of the slower,older donkey.

    Anyone of us could do a better job than this idiot. I am not kidding.

  • day1star

    the players have lost confidence and belief, you can see it in their faces.

  • HOAXoneder

    day1star I agree 100%. The team has lost it’s spirit, poise and anything they had left in them.

    Any good streams bro…Shanghai went down

  • ArgentineFan

    anyone got a good stream??

  • Argentuban

    $1,000 says he blames everyone but himself if and when he gets fired. Guaranteed. And he’ll part saying Messi will never be as good as him.

  • skywalker

    if there was ever a shining example as to when you know a team has been thoroughly out coached, that the players go out and play as if there was no game plan prepared and start doing their own things such as playing helter skelter football, not respecting their lanes, playing street ball soccer and attacking with no semblance of a ball.. may I introduce you to Argentina under Maradona’s stewardship

  • Argentuban

    Maybe the one thing positive that will come out of us losing a Cup spot is that Maradona will no longer be god to so many sheep.

  • Rune

    waiting for schiavi and palermo to save us now

    we’ll lose 2 or 3-0

  • AURELIUS

    Afyer the game the players should get together in the dressing room and demand the fool resign and go to the media and demand as such. There is no way in the world this idiot can resist the will of the Argentine public.

    Don Julio will sacrifice his puppet to pacify the masses and save his own pathetic skin.

    There is a deep malaise in the Argentine FA and it needs to be eradicated.

    True Argentuban though I’d agree with him that he is a better player . Let’s not forget the AFA have been paying this unqualified idiot four times the psalary of Basile.

    He should repay all the monies he’s supposedly earned as a penance as well.

  • skywalker

    sorry Argentuban, Maradona will continue to defy logic and still be worshiped to a large extent. Yes there will be some damage to his name, but I mean, if anyone else led the team out the WC, they’d be killed. Maradona, well, they’ll move him down from being above god to merely god. this is what happens when you dedicate a church and religion to a guy…

  • Native Son

    Guys,

    I feel sick.

    Seriously!

    I can’t believe what I am witnessing. I don’t know whether to continue watching this game or watch Obama’s speech just for the sake of escapism.

  • MaxiLopez

    Maradona MUST resign.
    Dominguez is so slow.
    Every player on the field is lost (Messi, Gago, Dominguez, Veron, Aguero, Zanetti, Mascherano).
    The only thing we are doing is throwing long balls to Messi/Aguero.
    Our players don’t know what to do, how to move. They dribble and lose the ball (Aguero, Messi, Datolo).
    Our best player is by far GABI HEINZE and he is maybe saving our asses in terms of golaverage. Maybe not. He covers Dominguez & Papa’s mistakes. I don’t know if you realize this.
    People, I don’t see how we can avoid another defeat. I’m sad to see my team playing like this. If Maradona resigns, AFA will appoint Bilardo and this would solve absolutely nothing. Grondona must be happy, he hates Maradona and now he has an opportunity to sack him.
    Good luck for the second period. Vamos Argentina, even if we lose.

  • Argentuban

    Please tell me everyone is emailing the AFA telling them to sack this sorry fuck.

  • skywalker

    lol Native Son, I’m watching that right now..

  • Native Son

    I hear you Skywalker, what else can one do under the circumstances?

  • procrastinator

    forget this match, the more I look at the players the more I can see their crushed spirits. especially Messi and Aguero. Aguero has been seriously silly, getting mixed up with the Maradona family, such an immensely talented player but soon he’ll be destroyed by the lunacy of that false God Maradona.

    I’ve never appreciated religion, but Maradona’s calamitous actions seem just like the maniacal Ancient Greek Gods … “whom they would destroy, they first drive mad”… very much what Maradona is doing to Aguero and Messi.

    Barcelona should take Messi back, immediately, before the stupidity of the Maradona worshipping morons (not saying Maradona’s a moron, he’s just a very spoilt kid) blame it all on Messi and his “failure to produce” (produce what? miracles? why didn’t Maradona win WC’82 then? why couldn’t he win it in WC’90?) and totally destroy his self-belief.

    Paraguay look really excellent, I’m liking this Cabanez guy and the Argentine guy too… they play very well together…

    anyhoo, back to the horror show :(

  • MaxiLopez

    RUNE,
    Maradona called injured players for these 2 games (Veron, Gago, Lopez, Tevez, Milito). That’s why Lopez and Milito aren’t on the bench.

  • Argentuban

    Maxi, I agree and think to myself what a sad day it is indeed that Heinze is the best defender we have on the field. It makes me want to crawl up into a ball and die.

  • Native Son

    Maxi,

    I just said to myself durin ghte game that Heinze is the man saving us total annihilation. The guy is all over.

  • Helge

    FIRE MARADONA IMMEDIATELY!!!

    I can’t watch this any longer, my soul is crying when I see what Maradona turned Argentina into. This cannot be true :(

    The line-up and the substitutes, it’s ridiculous. He cannot be serious about it. Where is Higuain, Lisandro Lopez, Lucho Gonzales, Cambiasso, Riquelme, Samuel and so on??? Please, AFA, face it! It can’t go on like this.

    If they really keep Maradona, I wish that some players retire… because some of them don’t deserve this shame!

  • Argentuban

    Maybe Obama can send an aid package…lol..

    we’ll all need lots of health care after this disaster…..

  • MaxiLopez

    Lets see how our 4-3-3 will work. Lets see what Maradona has train them…

  • petro

    Maradona can still walk out in grace if he resigns…then sack

  • skywalker

    you took my words away Argentuban. agreed with you and Maxi.. this is terrible.

  • mfgt2

    Lavezzi in for Datolo

  • Native Son

    My brother is a Brazilian fan.

    He was telling me during half time that Argentina needs to bring back the guy who coached World Cup 2006. That is when Argentina played. I told him that the guy’s name is Jose Pekerman and he concurred that he had a system and a purpose. He tells me that for the sake of the sport, he hopes and prays that ARg qualifies nevertheless. I am getting nervous.

  • carrysh

    I feel like cryinggggggggg

  • Native Son

    Well said petro,

    If Diego has any sense of decency, he should walk out after this game NO MATTER how it goes. He’ll quit with some respect at least but will he?

  • Native Son

    JEsus Kristu!

    This might be it.

    Veron is off!!

    Oh no!

  • gino

    Fuck, oh well, i’m already looking to the next game without Maradona. I’m already thinking of having Higuain up front with either tevez or aguero, messi in at right wing and riquelme in the middle, along with maxi on the outside. mascherano behind riquelme and zanetti, heinze, demichellis, and samuel in the back, you see how easy is is to get the players we need to dominate, oh well.

  • pancho

    veron red card… we’re fucking done…. going to go drink and cry myself to sleep

  • AURELIUS

    No chnce Native Son.

    And cheers Seba. Needless sending off. Thanks pal. You;ve been frankly mediocre.

    Can I get a callup please. I’d love a cap.

  • Argentuban

    Well I think Veron will never play for the NT again.

  • skywalker

    oh man, I don’t want Maradona to blame the loss on Veron.

  • carrysh

    OMGGGGGGG what have we become??? why would be Veron even be called, let alone fired?? I HATE MARADONAAAAAAAAAA, I have lost all the respect I had for this freakin bastardddd

  • Native Son

    This is not a disaster. This is a tragedy! A shakespearean tragedy!

  • Amit Singh

    oh my god..what a shame…i dont know if to cry or laugh

  • skywalker

    on the bright side, Seba won’t be playing in the next 2 games. Maybe just maybe will Aimar get a chance. At this point, I wouldn’t mind Roman coming back. This is turning into a joke

  • AURELIUS

    Don’t forghet Fazion and Gonzalo and Garay Gino. Or Ansaldi, Angeleri when he is fit, di Maria, Saviola, Aimar, Pastore , de Federico ,Piatti, Perotti , Pacheco etc etc.

    Carrysh we’ll sson seen the jokes of Don’t cry for me Argentina from all the Argentina haters. Sad to say but so predictable.

    Speaking as an atheist Maradona is the antichrist.

  • Argentuban

    This is it. It’s over.

  • skywalker

    oh my.. EL LOCO.. what a disaster this is

  • Leo

    fuck you veron, cost us the WC 2002 and now trying to sabotage our qualifications. now palermo is subbed for aguero hahaha!

  • Amit Singh

    here come the mad-man…

  • pancho

    anymore streams? not sure if I want to watch now…but.. maybe a shred of hope?..but to be honest I’m better off drinking now..

  • AURELIUS

    Lets call up di Stefano while we’re at it.

    Help here comes Batigol mark 2 . No its not Higuain or Cavenaghi but Martin Palermo. Whoopee.

    Lets see what happens. Four upfront and they all get confused so we will have three hasing the same ball.

  • HOAXoneder

    Oh boy Martin Palermo in the game. Hope he does not shoot a penalty

  • AURELIUS

    Damn skywalker now Diego has a scapegoat on all to hang his troubles on. Shit it gets worse and worse.

    No one could write a horror story like this one.

  • skywalker

    Maradona/Basile who helped destroy Tevez’ national career; now Maradona is starting to do the same to Aguero.

    but look at our team. half the guys have barely played 10 or so games for ARG. what a disgrace.

  • AURELIUS

    Oh boy Martin Palermo in the game. Hope he does not shoot a penalty

    He’ll need at least four to score one though HPAXneder. I reckon el numpto will say it was a Brazilian conspiracy to send off Veron .

  • gino

    I wonder what the Argentine press will be saying tomorrow….

  • Argentuban

    LMAO @ HOAX….or 3 of ‘em mind you…..

  • skywalker

    AURELIUS.. oh you already know its coming. Although from the replay they showed, the sending off was a little harsh. then again, I wouldn’t have disagreed with a red for the yellow he got. that was dangerous. but the 2nd yellow, I dunno, 2 defenders behind, just clipped him.

    Even the Setanta commentator is in disbelief. At this rate, are we really favourites to beat Costa Rica / Honduras?

  • AURELIUS

    Argentina need a miracle to qualify ????/ We need a proper coach. That’s all.

  • AURELIUS

    I doubt we’ll even get a draw against Peru if horror of horrors the Thing is still in charge.

    Honduras on current form we’ll whack our backsides. Costa Rica we might just beat….. if they have a man sent off.

  • HOAXoneder

    Why dont we just let Rosario Central suit up for the remaining games. They could play better

  • AURELIUS

    Or Huracan. They at least pass and move the ball.

    Better still let Mandiyu take part.

  • AURELIUS

    Sebadom having another brainfart. You don’t see this sort of panicky defending in division three over here. Abysmal.

  • AURELIUS

    Great play fro Lavezzi trying to dribble his way from his own 18 yard lie and presenting another gift wrapped chance to the opposition.

    Madness all around.

  • AURELIUS

    Mr.Palermo is the invisible Man.

    Have FIFA given the referee orders to give us a penalty to make sure we qualify somehow ? Perhaps against Peru or Uruguay ?

  • anand

    Why dont we have a hald decent set piece expert!!!!! Messi is playing piss poor…

  • AURELIUS

    I’d personally like to punch Maradona in the face.

  • skywalker

    lol… AURELIUS .. dripping sarcasm. I was totally wrong when I said we would Paraguay, just totally wrong. They’re on cruise and playing sensible.

    you know, I think we all through different stages during the qualifiers. went from befuddled to bemused then in a state of denial to being totally shocked to full fledged anger. And now sadly, we’re in acceptance that the house of brick cards may just come crashing down. it just hit me as I was watching this unfold that I can now see a WC without Argentina.

  • Argentuban

    That’s because he’s been broken thanks to Morondona.

  • petro

    Argentina should lose..though me being an Arg fan…Julio and Diego shd realize and quit..however…Julio will not quit till he dies..and he will not sack Diego as it would seem he did a mistake by appointing him…and diego will not walk out..what a pity!!!

  • AURELIUS

    Palermo’s my man of the match so far. Outstanding so far. One piss poor header and gives the ball away to a player a foot smaller than him.

    Are you watching this in amusement Fernando and Gonzalo ?

  • anand

    Im sure Basile’s team would have qualified by now!

  • skywalker

    what the hell is going on .. why is he bringing on a DEFENDER now. what the hell, is he protecting the goal difference

  • Leo

    what is maradona thinking? schiavi WTF!

  • petro

    Maradona,

    This worldcup is not for Veterans…we can have one if you want…i am sure you are gonna say this match we didn’t lose that bad….it was one mistake and they converted it….heinze did a great job restricting potential goals..

  • AURELIUS

    Rune did you place a bet on this. Guess who is coming on to save the day.

    Rolando Schiavi…… You;d mke your win double with Mr.Invisible too.

    I’m definitely contacting the AFA . I’m sure I might get picked for the game against Peru along with Paddington Bear.

  • HOAXoneder

    Schiavi is in cos of height and for a header. Not that I agree with the sub but…..at this point I would be ok if they bring in el Pato Fillol too

  • skywalker

    AURELIUS .. be happy, sebadom is now off. this is just so maddening to watch. now he decides to replace that fool.

  • carrysh

    Is Maradona still on DRUGSSS?

  • AURELIUS

    It’s sad to say this Anand but we should be careful what we wish for as Albo said.

    However the pibes were giving Alfio some trouble sadly. Skywalker you have to laugh to ease the hurt.

    I honestly can’t see us beating Peru if it is still there.

  • AURELIUS

    At last he is off Skywalker only to be replaced with worse…..

    Carrysh I am sure I saw el numpto sniffing the touchline trying to inhale the slaked lime powder.

  • skywalker

    AURELIUS.. I’m beyond hurt. I am convincing myself I’ve been placed in an alternate realty along with all other Argentina fans and this is all one big joke.

    oh messi, he should shot that.

  • skywalker

    a joke that Schavi is basically being used as a forward. what has Maradona done. Even a 10 year old with no bias towards any player could have done a better job picking the NT

  • anand

    I think the blame has to be taken collectively. Players started getting so full of themselves, egos started clashing, irresponsible administration, stupid decisions, noone to ask hard hitting questions. We deserve it!

  • AURELIUS

    Welcome my friends to Planet Maradona…… ;) :(

    What an insult to a glorious tradition.

  • skywalker

    guys.. have we even had a shot on goal yet today aside from that weak one from Veron?

  • AURELIUS

    Things are so bad we are resorting to old style England football tactics. Bombard the box ignoring the fact we only have one targetman.

  • anand

    I have seen papa play in argentina, he looked so good at Velez, why is he so mediocre here…he runs like a headless chicken….

  • Golazo

    I didn’t watch the game today and I’ll refuse to watch it under maradona

  • HOAXoneder

    This is pathetic. PATHETIC.

  • Argentuban

    I will never utter a positive word about Diego Maradona again as long as I live.

  • AURELIUS

    Not one Skywalker. Credit to Heinze. He has held the defence together and Romero has been the sole other plus point.

    Even a new coach might find it a struggle to lift these players hence the need if the thing is sacked that new players ,the ones carelessly tossed aside are brought in forthwith ie Higuain, Gonzalo, Aimar etc etc.

  • carrysh

    AURELIUS very funny, but unfortunately not in the mood to laugh…I wouldnt mind choking Maradona to death however

  • skywalker

    wow, we’re playing like a Level 3 club team. unreal that these are some of the best players in the world.

  • Leo

    que desastre

  • pancho

    if we lose, what miracle do we need to qualify?

  • skywalker

    great, have a defender go up and expect him to be able to pull off a forward’s move

  • john

    Maradona shame goes without saying,…..however all the players should also be ashamed…for shame gentlemen for shame…..hang your heads low and slink back to your club teams.

    Apologies are owed to all football fans around the globe………you would think they would show some pride? Some of our famous passion? Our dancing football? Nothing

    And who’s the moron commenting on England Tactics?….be serious last time I checked there were perfect under Mr Capello…..the nerve to make such a statement!!….Grow Up Dio Buon

    regards

  • Argentuban

    Please tell me they fire MAradona after this. At least tell me that much. Please.

  • AURELIUS

    You provide one hand carrysh and I’ll provide the other. ;)

    Well we were lucky there that Schiavi did not score off Palermo’s assist otherwise Diego would be saying he is greater than Michels , Schon, Lobanowski etc etc put together.

  • pancho

    to think I’ve wasted 90 minutes of my life watching this game.. I could have spent it much more productively..like pulling my fingernails out…

  • HOAXoneder

    It’s over. We sucked sooooo bad today. Paraguay is in and so far we are on our way to play Costa Rica. Maybe this is an idea of Grondona to play extra games and milk some more money from the poor Argentinos. I cannot believe I just saw this game. It was like watching a few guys getting together to just play at the park. PATHETIC.

    Can’t be mad at Palermo or Schiavi….they had that very close chance at the end.

    Ahhhhhh Diego what have you done? You need to go.

  • Argentuban

    We did lose. We must win our final two matches to guarantee 5th. Ecuador play Uruguay when we play Peru, so if we get a positive result from Peru we should be positioned for 5th at least.

    But that is a big if.

  • skywalker

    looking at Ecuador’s schedule, they look like they’re in (Chile on the last day will be resting their players). And now the best chance we have is qualifying in 5th. what a joke… anyway, I’m done for the night. gonna go hit the Gin and Tonic hard. real hard. like banging a bottle on my head hard. have a good one guys..

  • Argentuban

    I’m not betting on playing Costa Rica or anyone. We have to win a fucking game for that to happen.

  • AURELIUS

    Anand it’s one thing to play at club level. It another step up to international football and Crapa is not up to it as most of the fools selections have been.

    I hope when I wake up tomorrow that I learn it has gone.

    I won’t count my chickens but I hope to goodness that the fans of football in Argentina band together and demand he resign along with Don Julio and that the press launch a very vitriolic campaign to have him removed. Completely vicious and unswerving.

    No shame on the players when you have all the confidence sucked out of you and are undermined by your own coach.

    Get a new coach in or interim one and introduce the players who we know can perform under a proper coach.

  • Rune

    The worst game of football I’ve ever seen by an Argie NT. Nothing more to say.

  • day1star

    i cried through that second half, i feel so sorry for the players. Every player loves the shirt and wear’s it with pride. But, it is the coach’s job to choose the best players and make them play as a team, when you constantly change the team, then there is no rhythm, no understanding, and a big mess. And, if you don’t have a clue about your players strengths and weaknesses then u shouldn’t be a coach.
    The only plus point to this game was Romero, he looked so solid. But, we were getting the basics wrong, poor passing, poor freekicks, it was sad to see wat we have been reduced to.
    i can’t say anymore, i feel like crying again. Diego has to go!

  • Argentuban

    They have to call up Gonzalo Rodriguez, Gonzalo Higuain, Pablo Aimar, Di Maria, and Zarate – now. Just tell them to be ready for Peru, now.

    And Riquelme. Fuck it. He AND Aimar together, they’d never be able to man mark him out of the match.

  • HOAXoneder

    I know Riquelme must be laughing and crying all at the same time somewhere.
    This was worse than watching paint dry fellas. The team has no direction. The players need to get the blame as well. It’s gotten worse with Maradona but already since Basile they were playing uninspired football. From Grondona, to Maradona, the players, even to the water boy haha, Everyone is to blame here.

    If Maradona is still coaching which he probably will, we better see Higuin, Cambiasso, Kempes lol everyone in the next match against Peru and Uruguay. At least Veron is out.

  • AURELIUS

    You must have had a bet at least on the terrible twosome coming on though Rune ? ;)

    I have to agree that along with the second half against Ecuador and the shambles against Bolivia have been the worst I’ve seen. No coincidence who’s been in charge.

  • Argentuban

    We must defeat Peru. At Peru. And we have not won a road game yet. They just beat Uruguay (thank god or we’d be in SIXTH!!!!). If we beat Peru, I believe we will at least get 5th place. But it is sad that it has come to this.

  • day1star

    and veron how could he make that silly tackle, at least he’s out of the next game. and how could he sub aguero off and bring on palermo, he’s lost it. he has to go.

  • Seth

    =[

  • Native Son

    I want to spread a lie here.

    This is the lie.

    ***Breaking news!***

    AP is now reporting that Argentinean coach Diego Armando Maradona has been sacked as coach after the two defeats by Brazil and Paraguay. As soon as the referee blew the final whistle, and as Maradona walked to the dressing room, sources have it that Maradona was handed a note -perhaps from the ASsociated press website which effectively carried his firing. It is not clear whether someone has been appointed to replace him.

    How I wish it was true.

  • Argentuban

    Please tell me Maradona has been fired already. Someone please tell me….

  • AURELIUS

    We must win both games bottom line .Peru home Uruguay away.

    Uruguay play Ecudaor so Ecuador winning and us would be best as it would leave Uruguay unable to qualify.

    Then we’d in all probability play Costa Rica. All under new management and new playing personell of course.

    What a sad spectacle but eminently predictable. Let’s hope he’s gone tomorrow.

    Goodnight for now amigos. :) Chins up. Vamos,vamos Argentina.

  • thuin

    paraguya 1 – Argentina 0

    GOODBYE 2010…..see u in 2014

  • aimar 10

    where was the urgency needed from our players, almost every one seemed to be walking. at one point gago was the only one that was trying. this game was so painful to watch. we didn’t creat any chances, to much long balls, this is not theenglish premier league. why not make short passes to feet. the team was terrible today, guys were out of position, no #9, the bench was horrible and dominguez is the slowest player i have ever seen. mradonna needs to be fired now its the only thing that can cheer me up.

  • http://! Alexa

    ARG will never ever even score in the next two games, much less win them, with Maradona in charge.

    If Grondona wants to make the World CUp — he needs to sack Maradona TONIGHT. TONIGHT….

  • Golazo

    It looks like Maradona will be sacked. (according to various sources)

  • Golazo

    Don’t worry relax… We are going to quaifily directly to the world cup.

  • Leo

    The current standings and positions:

    4.Ecuador – 23
    5.Argentina – 22
    6.Uruguay – 21
    7.Colombia – 20

    Only 4th position qualifies directly, and 5 goes into a play-off with either Costa Rica or Honduras.

    Here is the last fixture for the teams:

    Argentina – Peru
    Colombia – Chile
    Ecuador - Uruguay
    Paraguay – Colombia
    Uruguay - Argentina
    Chile - Ecuador

    Theres still a chance Argentina can finish 4th.

  • Golazo
  • anand

    In my recent memory as an Argentine football fan, this must be the worst game i have watched…I have only pity for some of the most talented footballers running like headless chicken for 90 mins…What have you done Don Diego…did u offer them cocaine? Juan Sebastian Veron Sent off, Leo Messi in piss poor form, 36 year old defender Rolando Schiavi appearing as a forward! Classic!

  • Native Son

    Someone please hug me. I might be breaking down. Someone,…….anyone.

  • procrastinator

    Maradona out, Saviola, Higuain, Zarate, Lopez, AIMAR in.
    Zanetti back as CAPTAIN and Gago, Tevez, Papa, ANY player called Sebastian on the bench/out.

    this is the worst series of displays by Argentina I have ever seen. Maradona has done the impossible and found a new low … I was certain he should have been fired back after the Bolivia game but now I’m just amazed that the players aren’t resigning from the team.

    what an utterly deluded fool, poor poor Maradona, what have the public done to you? totally destroyed you, made you into some pathetic champaign socialist man-of-the-(moronic)-people puppet with all their ill considered worship and arse-kissing :| .

    good grief, he makes Pele look intelligent! how on earth can such a fool be admired? Gascoigne was a tremendously talented footballer, yet he was a born idiot and NO briton ever pretended otherwise. Maradona is nothing more than an Argentine Paul Gascoigne… nothing worthy of admiration in the person, at all.

  • Helge

    So true, procrastinator!
    I couldn’t have said it any better.

    I might feel a tendency to kill myself if Maradona is still the coach for the two upcoming and most important matches of Argentina since decades :(

  • Argentuban

    What sources, Golzao? Please?

  • Soumen
  • Argentuban

    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!! ARGENTINA IS FUCKING STUPID!!!!

  • thuin

    i……..feel sorry for us….all the supporters dream shattered by one man’s egoistic decision.

  • Native Son

    Soumen,

    Or anyone else for that matter.

    Would you mind translating that article please.

  • Soumen

    Morondona basically says “This won’t break me .. I am looking forward ..we can still qualify ” blah blah blah

  • procrastinator

    Maradona is a product of collective worship, the blame falls on the fans.
    they made this monster, they worshipped unwisely… you should always be made to pay for your stupidity, it helps to thin the herd.

    the AFA would never have gotten away with such a poor coach, had it not been for the generations of common people who lost their brains in stupid sentimental worship of a stupid and weak man. foolishness.

    can’t blame Maradona alone, he was the monster, his worshippers a million Dr. Victor Frankensteins.

    also, no blame to ANY of the players… they can only play within the parameters the coach provides. Veron, Schiavi, Palermo, Papa … they weren’t good enough, they shouldn’t have been picked but, they tried their best (which was nowhere near enough) and they didn’t campaign to be called up, Maradona made that stupid decision all by himself. blame Maradona, don’t blame the players, don’t kiss Maradona’s arse any more. place the blame for the team’s display where it belongs, solely at Maradona’s feet.

    place the blame for Argentina’s failures at the feet of the AFA and place the blame for Maradona’s foolishness, arrogance, stupidity, egotism at the feet of those who relentlessly sucked on Maradona’s … :|

  • Argentuban

    Yeah but he might not know that he is gone yet Soumen. Let’s hope…

  • aimar 10

    if argentina sticks with maradonna it will be an utter disgrace. the biggest problem is we can’t score, we have all this posession and still can’t score. you know i find it strange every team that plays is up for the game i mean they alwasys play amazing defence. quick to every ball, for instance the chile game is like they had 15 players on the pitch. why can’t we do the same, play solid defence with fast defenders. and do something with the ball when we get it. the interesting thing is if we do finish 5 i don’t think we can beat mexico. i am hoping for costa rica or hondurus or even t and t.

  • john

    I must respectfully disagree

    I couldn’t help but think when I was watching the game……..

    Would it kill Messi to do a Maradona like run with the ball and bury us a goal? Is that so unreasonavle to ask the best player on the earth.

    Maybe even Aguero could do something? Anything?

    regards

  • procrastinator

    john, there were 4-8 Paraguayan players in the box, I think it would be both an unreasonable ask for such a thing.

    you know there are teams out there that get beaten 32-0? those are the teams with Maradona like managers. it’s only because Argentina have so much talent, that even utterly bewilderingly poor management still leaves them with some semblance of dignity (not much, granted, but still not 32 nil).

  • Argentuban

    Well Messi didn’t have the advantage of having just punched a goal in with his fist to demoralize his opponent.

    And last I checked, Maradona didn’t do much of anything in ‘82, at Messi’s age.

  • Argentuban

    If the Argentine nation allows Maradona to continue as manager, it proves that the nation is mad.

  • Amit Singh

    Argentuban…this is how the translation goes–

    At a press conference, Diego Maradona, coach of the national team, made it clear he will continue to lead the team, despite the harsh criticism he received and will receive from Argentina fans after the defeat to Brazil 3 to 1 and Paraguay by 1 to 0, at home and away, respectively.

    “I’m not afraid of criticism, I do not fear anyone. I do my job, my team and I’m going to go ahead,” Diego fired, concerning the questions of a journalist in Asuncion, then repeat: “My I do not break the criticism. While you have a drop of blood I will fight for Argentina to classify.

    In turn, the national TD said: “The puzzle is to assemble it again,” recognizing that the selection did not play as it should have done since assuming his leadership. Anyway, he hoped to achieve the ranking South Africa 2010: “We’re not out of the World Cup we have any chance.”

    “I could not imagine being so, I imagined to be much higher. It is the reality we have and we must face it. We have a chance and we still cling to that,” Maradona at the conference concluded.

    However, not everything was there. Then, leave the stadium, was intercepted by another group of reporters. Opposite them, said it would not be so bad having to play a playoff and not classify directly to South Africa. “We (the Selection of 1993) we had to go to Australia to seek a playoff and no one died. Now, why should I suffer myself, if nobody was killed here. He played a football game anymore,” said Diego before leaving.

    Now, the selection will play against the Peruvians, and local, and against Uruguay, as a visitor, looking for a pass to the world championship to be staged next year and that figures on the level of Messi and Tevez, not yet is assured.

  • Argentuban

    Yes, but we do not know if a decision to fire him will come or not. He doesn’t decide if he gets fired. In a sane world, anyways.

  • john

    again with respect I disagree…….I refuse to let the players of the hook so easily. I’m not basing it on one or two games just look back at all our qualifying games…..shamefull

    Many of us Argy supporters like to talk of how talented we are and how we could fild two teams in WC competition ect…ect…Wake Up Call

    Argentuban …duly noted but they were in the World Cup.

    Please remember I don’t mean at all to come across as a Maradona Apologist, I am not……..but all the blame surely cannot rest soley at his divine feet.

    regards

  • petro

    AFA,

    Give us some good news…we are tired of losing..make Bilardo the coach and Maradona as a consultant if AFA still wants to keep him…Bilardo for sure would make the defense strong..if not other areas.

    I think we can hire Maldini for Central Defense..if we do not have good defense..

  • Riquelme

    I am trying to understand whether its Argentina with Maradona or Argentina without Riquelme or both.

    By the way, with all due respect to Messi’s talent, I expected more from the Messi – best player on earth even with a coach like Maradona.

  • john

    I can’t imagine a world cup without Argentina…….certain countries we expect and want to see there….obviously for me

    Argentina
    Brazil
    Italy
    Germany
    Spain
    Holland
    England

    regards

  • petro

    Maradona says he will take the blame..what is going to happen if he takes the blame..nothing…idiots.people never realise..we need someone with experience..

  • VAMOS_MESSI

    tq MARADONA because you call player like Palermo,Schiavi….Both play very gud……ERghhhhh tension….I look Messi face is look like he already give up…..

  • HOAXoneder

    Guys of course Maradona will not give up…..but it now lays on the shoulders of Grondona – he still has the power to fire him. Again I think the blame falls on everyone. The coach, the players, everyone. We need to have everyone in the next game….no more mediocre players….Higuian, DiMaria, Aimar…..I would not be surprised if Maradona and Riquelme squash their issues and try to work this out for the NT sake.

  • Amit Singh

    John… i will blame 95% of the blame fairly and squarely on Diego…i’ll put 5% on the players and that too because someone should have pulled some magic or even half decent chance…
    i dont blame messi or aguero or anyone else…it’s the coach, plain and simple

  • carrysh

    Maradona should def be fired however they can make it look as if he resigned himself if that would preserve what is left from his legacy. BUT he should be gone by tonight. I can not go through this again… seeing Argentina play horrible… is it time for the people of Argentina to stand up for their NT… Football in Argentina is not all about Maradona… I am Argentina fan because of the way it is played, its passion, its joy and everything associated with Argentine football. Argentine football it is like their tango, passion, possession, rhythm. I do not see it under Mardona or Basile. God how I miss Pekermann.

  • HOAXoneder

    I really would like to hear what the players have to say. Each and every single one of them. Im sorry but alot of these guys played with no sense of urgency nor pride.

  • john

    Amit Singh…that’s fair…i just put a bigger percentage to players than you do.

    regards

  • Argentuban

    No, it doesn’t. But 90% of it should. Going back though, we did a lot of things that killed us.

    Look at Tevez’ missed penalty against Ecuador. His red card against Colombia.
    Heinze’s own goal that cost us 2 points.

    Those mistakes alone are what have us in 5th versus 3rd or even 2cd.

    But yes, many of the players are at fault, because many of them shouldn’t even be on the national team. Otamendi, Dominguez, Papa have been consistently horrendous. For Otamendi and Dominguez, I think these two matches showed that. Papa, ’nuff said.

    Datolo has been more interested in making a highlight reel than maintaining possession of the football.

    Etc….

    But these players were chosen and put in the formations they played in by Maradona.

    If we had a decent back line and played some real possession midfielders (not Gago out of position and Veron for fuck’s sake) then we’d be performing well. That’s call-ups and formation, all the way.

  • Argentuban

    Di Maria is off suspension for Peru, I believe.

  • Amit Singh

    This is the article from Clarin :-

    Translation: Spanish » English

    Argentina perdió 1-0 con Paraguay (gol de Haedo Valdez), que se clasificó al Mundial. Volvió a jugar mal, y encima jugó casi todo el segundo tiempo con diez. Maradona no encuentra el equipo, tampoco respuestas en los suplentes. Messi es una sombra del que brilla en el Barcelona, se enceguece ante la adversidad y busca la gambeta heroica. La clasificación es un parto. Por ahora, estamos en el repechaje. Pero jugando así… Paraguay está en el Mundial, Argentina apenas en… el ¡repechaje! La Selección no pudo ni supo recuperarse del golpe contra Brasil, jugó peor que en el partido en Rosario y se volvió de Asunción con un derrota dolorosa. Muy dolorosa. El equipo fue de tibio a congelado. Sin ideas en ofensiva, sin recuperación en el medio y sin solidez en la última línea. Así es muy difícil ganar en Paraguay, en Rosario o en el complejo de la AFA en Ezeiza. Sin respuestas físicas ni futbolísticas, Argentina tendrá que agradecer que Paraguay no le haya hecho más de un gol. Encima, Verón vio la doble amarilla y Argentina debió intentar la hazaña imposible con uno menos durante cuarenta minutos. Ni los desesperados cambios de Maradona metiendo a Palermo y Schiavi, ni los intentos de Lavezzi (entró por Dátolo) para cambiar lo que rápidamente se vio como la crónica de una derrota anunciada. Cabañas no es el mejor del mundo pero jugó un primer tiempo como tal. Haedo no es un estación del Sarmiento sino un tren al que Zanetti y compañía vieron pasar y no le pudieron ni ver el número de la camiseta. Paraguay no es una gran potencia ni venía con su mejor nivel. Pero no necesitó de mucho para disimular falencias de los últimos tiempos. Luego de bancar unos cinco minutos en los que Argentina (Verón mediante) parecía dispuesta a quedarse con el control de la pelota, los paraguayos se aprovecharon del desorden general del equipo argentino. Más allá de la presencia que despierta la presencia Romero desde el arco, la defensa mostró tantas o más debilidades que en el clásico con Brasil. Zanetti no fue ni vino, Domínguez durmió en los cierres, Heinze… Heinze todavía está tratando de explicar qué quiso hacer en el inicio de la jugada del gol paraguayo quedando desparramado en el mediocampo. Papa se mostró débil y sin buen pase. Pero el problema fue general. Sin patrón de juego ni variantes, Verón pareció el menos perdido. Le duró poco. El resto no supo recuperar ni sumarse al circuito de juego. Dátolo intentó pero ¿cuándo va a mandar un centro inteligente? ¿Tiene sentido buscar por arriba a Agüero? Pero Argentina tuvo tantos problemas para recuperar la pelota como para saber qué hacer con ella. Messi no encontró ni la posición ni la bocha. Empecinado en acumular gambetas, no advirtió que algunos buenos arranques merecían pase y no choque con un defensor. Entre tanto descontrol, Paraguay tuvo en Haedo y Barreto dos chances que el palo y el travesaño salvaron a la Argentina. A la suerte había que ayudarla y en la tercera clara, Haedo Valdez justificó esa admiración que genera en su gente y con un zurdazo cruzado sacudió la red. La respuesta argentina fue una mezcla de desesperación-descontrol insólita. Con rendimientos individuales bajísimos, con deficiencias tácticas notables y la sensación de que podrían jugar una hora más y Argentina no conseguiría el empate. Maradona, que casi no abrió la boca para dar indicaciones, deberá refundar su propio equipo. El final, casi cirquense con Schiavi y Palermo intentando el empate heroico, nos dejó en un quinto lugar doloroso. Ahora se viene Perú y Uruguay para pensar que Sudáfrica aún no queda tan lejos.

    Argentina lost 1-0 to Paraguay (gol de Haedo Valdez), who qualified for the World Cup. He returned to play poorly, and played over almost the entire second half with ten. Maradona is not the team, not the alternate responses. Messi is a shadow that glows in Barcelona, is blind to the adversity and seeks the dribbling heroic. The classification is a birth. For now, we’re in the playoffs. But playing well …

    Paraguay is in the World Cup, Argentina just in … the playoffs! The selection could not even recover from the blow he knew Brazil, played worse than in the match in Rosario and Asunción became a painful defeat. Very painful.

    The team was warm to frozen. No ideas on offense, without recovery in between and without strength in the last line. This is very difficult to win in Paraguay, in Rosario or AFA complex in Ezeiza. Without physical responses or soccer, Argentina will have to be thankful that Paraguay has not made more than one goal. Above, Veron saw the double yellow and Argentina had to attempt the impossible feat with one less for forty minutes. Neither changes Maradona desperate cramming Palermo and Schiavi, or attempts to Lavezzi (entered by Dátolo) to quickly change what was seen as a chronicle of a defeat foretold.

    Cabanas is the world’s best but he played a first time as such. Haedo is not a station but a train Sarmiento Zanetti and company saw that happen and could not even see the number of the shirt. Paraguay is not a great power nor went with his best. But did not need much to cover failures of recent times. Bancar After about five minutes when Argentina (Veron through) seemed determined to keep control of the ball, the Paraguayans took advantage of the general disorder of the Argentine team.

    Beyond the presence awakens the presence Romero from the arc, the defense showed that many or more weaknesses in the classic Brazil. Zanetti was no wine, slept in the closures Dominguez, Heinze … Heinze still trying to explain why he wanted to do at the beginning of the play of the Paraguayan goal being scattered in midfield. Pope was weak and without proper screening. But the problem was widespread. No game pattern or variants, Veron seemed the least lost. It was short lived. The rest failed to recover and join the gaming circuit. Dátolo tried but when going to send a smart center? Does it make sense to look at the top Aguero?

    But Argentina had so much trouble to retrieve the ball as to what to do with it. Messi did not find the position or the ball. Determined to build dribble, did not notice that deserved some good starts and not pass collision with a defender.

    Dyscontrol Meanwhile, in Haedo and Paraguay had two chances Barreto the stick and the crossbar saved Argentina. The luck had to help her and the third clear, Haedo Valdez justified the admiration he earned in his people and a cross left-footed shot hit the net.

    Argentina’s response was a mixture of despair, lawlessness unusual. With very low individual income, with significant tactical shortcomings and feeling that they could play an hour and Argentina did not get the equalizer.

    Maradona, who almost never opened his mouth to give information, you must recreate your own computer. The final, almost cirquense with Schiavi and trying to draw heroic Palermo, left us in fifth place painful. Now, Peru and Uruguay are coming to believe that South Africa still not that far away.

  • munshi

    the way the players played and the way they carried themselves reminded me of basile’s last game against chile.

  • sorin

    can this be true?
    will riqulme come back? will he make a difference if he does?
    will maradona finally give samuel, gonzalo, higuain, and zarate a call….maybe aimar? will they make a difference?
    I dont want to talk about this game anymore…i want to see action taken and within the next week. we dont have time. there are teams booking their place as we speak, and argentina is not even at square one…we are in the negative.
    it is notr only the call ups that maradona is making, but the formation, tactics, etc. there is no fluidity of the ball. there is no creativity. we look like a central american team for God’s sake. matter of fact we look worse. paraguay is a good team, but we should not be trailing them going into the half.
    veron should never ever play for us again. I am happy that he is suspended for the next match. this might force maradona to call aimar, or beg Riquleme, or play messi behind the strikers wwhere he belongs. I am hurt.

  • Diego86

    At the press conference tonight he said that he spoke to Grondona and that everything is fine. He said that he will not be broken down and he said that he is going to finish out his contract. (Copied from one blog)

  • Argentuban

    Well this is one instance where we can hope that Grondona remains a lying weasel – he could have been lying to Diego.

  • Native Son

    Thanks Soumen for your kindness.

    I am at a loss. Maradona will still pick the same players for the next two games.

    Oh dear! It’s over.

  • http://! Alexa

    What Maradona has done in the last few games is play out that nightmare scenario that we’ve all probably played out in our minds during bouts of insomnia.

    It all culminated at the end of this game, when it got so grim that throwing in Palermo almost seemed a hopefull option! And then he puts out Schivo, or whoever that guy was. WHO THE F are these people being chosen?

    In the first half the players looked downright scared, or panicked. In the second half they looked resigned and helpless.

    Seriously — doesn’t Grondona have a boss? Everybody has a boss, right? Can’t someone fire him? Cause the guy’s not going to die. He’ll be like those old time dictators. They live till well into their 90s. They’re like cockroaches.

  • carrysh

    hasnt maradona been fired yet?!

  • petro

    If Maradona wants to see of the contract it is only few more games…he has put himself into this mess..he thought managing football was like playing video games..Neither Julio would quit nor Maradona..Nobody cares..Is anyone hearing?

  • Asil

    I’ll call Diego personally and ask him to resign. Need a translator and a vests

  • Mostafa

    Can’t maradona recall batistuta?? that would work lol :D

  • argentinefan

    I’m so sick of maradona… How does he call up Palermo when there’s a younger, more experienced, and more talented player in crespo??

  • sorin

    “who will he call up next” should be the title of the next blog

  • Tuhin

    @ Sorin: “who will he call up next” should be the title of the next blog”
    GOOD ONE……. :) :D
    ….let me give a few hints….. 1. Mario Kempes 2.Daniel Passarella 3. Sergio Goycochea 4. Alfredo Di Stéfano (A great addition…A veteran…so what he is 83)

  • ken

    When Argentina’s mentality to dislike her own great player
    such as Riquelme, you are DOOMED for failure. It was not
    written in scriptures; it was just plain to see
    since wc 1986 and confirmed in wc2006. A divided house cannot stand,
    said Abraham Lincoln. But Argentina
    does not pay attention. This is a truely PASSIVE
    nation with outsatnding players but with a third world mentality who will fail to qualify for Wc2010 shortly. Alexa can relate to what I am saying…

  • ken

    You little RUNE idiot, where are you now HIDING
    from reality?

  • Riquelme

    Well said Ken.

    In 90, we blamed Fifa.
    In 94, we blamed USA.
    In 98, we blamed Ortega.
    In 2002, we blamed Bielsa.
    In 2006, we blamed Pekerman/Riquelme.
    In 2010, time to blame the God himself!

  • Asil

    Let’s talk about our next manager, for our new topic. It’s a hot topic since 2006. Forget about the team, players for a while and forget about 2010 until the manager is solved.

    Ken, 1986 was even worse. Nobody believe in that team.

  • Tuhin

    This time is different…no body believe in the Manager .

  • carrysh

    I hate Maradona like I have never hated anyone…how can a person be so stupid so arrogant so self centered… this is Argentina we are talking about ass hole if you can’t manage the team resign and let someone hopefully more qualified given the circumstances take over…Who is he fighting against his own people, his own country, his own national team and fans… your days are over, we appreciate what you have done in the past for us now get the hell outttttttt… I am going to have a nervous break down seriously

  • yoshe

    maradona should be fired!! this guy has a plenty of good players to select from and build a dream team, but he is not doing that !

    argentina needs a good striker as crespo or d.milito + they need requilme

    if i were argentina’s coach i’d choose the followings :

    tevez, crespo(or d.milito), aguero

    riquelme (or maxi) and messi

    mascherano(or gago)

    hienze, garay (or samuel), collicini. j.zanetti (c)

    pato

  • Gunalan

    Can they beat Peru ? I think they can ?

    But i am not sure about Uruguay…..

    I hope that argentina take max point from these two games and hope that ecuador lost or draw 1 of their games to give path to beloved argentina….

    never seen argentina play so poorly since the last world cup…

    midfield is not working…attack is not dangerous….

    messi and aguero are not out and out CF….they need to play behind a real striker….

    what option argentina have apart from Crespo for that position ?

  • yoshe

    6 players can make the deffirence now and give argentina 6 points from the next 2 matches left.

    tevez-crespo-aguero-saviola-riquelme-messi

    tevez-crespo-aguero or saviola (infront)

    at the back of them riquelme and messi

    if this happens,,i bet they gonna win against peru scoring at least 4 goals

  • day1star

    u can’t play riquelme in a team with a piss poor defence, we will be toast, and diego does not have the brains to build an effective team around riquelme with the right tactics and movement. So, i don’t see riquelme as a good option.

  • yoshe

    what about aimar….the guy is still effective…he is fast,has the skill, abd can score from free kicks

  • procrastinator

    I’m seriously wondering whether this isn’t intentional, on Maradona’s part.
    Maybe he wants to show just how corrupt and incompetant the men running the AFA are and how poor the league has become. He deliberately picks mediocre domestic league players, he avoids anything resembling a strategy and he talks like his usual arrogant (and ignorant) self all the while.

    Maradona’s statement might actually be that “look at how corrupt the AFA is, they place me in charge because I’m a celebrity, they don’t care about proper preparation, planning, training and selections. they don’t care about the national team, only their continued hold on power… we must get rid of them”…

  • Twister

    Heinze at centre back was clueless enougth,but gago in a three in midfield looked lost alongside old man Veron,tatically it was a mess.

    Argentina must sack maradona now its their only hope. If they keep him in charge I am sadly sure they will lose in Uruguay and miss the play offs.

    For a world cup without messi would be tragic, but will happen if action is not taken now.

    its now or never.

  • procrastinator

    amazing that Maradona was ever given a chance, in a WorldCup Qualification period, to mismanage Argentina.

    in a court of law, it’d be the people who put him in charge, who are sentenced for criminal negligence, imo.

    it’s the equivalent of giving a loaded machine gun to an insane person and pointing him in the direction of a shopping mall, then standing back and looking aghast as people die.

  • Watch_10

    Nothing to say further … in the world of football the words of people
    is nothing, a corrupt organisation with an ignorant celebrity has destroyed one of the best footballing foundations.
    I am not sure if any of these players will have the confidence any more in NT shirt, we have now gone past to post 2002 era.
    I feel for the young players who were fed to lions , like a politician trying to fulfill his hollow promises puts the favourite players to give them some playing time with no intention to win.
    Romero,Messi,Aguero etc will come back in good forms for the clubs but I doubt about Macherano, he is given captaincy, he is given so much responsibility and on top of it he is not a typical ‘leader’ types,
    he will be devastated… he wont be able to get over it …but he should.

  • noori

    Thanks “GOD”, I didn’t watch the game.
    Those who are thinking for a new manager and think that Diego will be sacked, … they live in a fools paradise. Diego will never be sacked nor will he resign. Nothing will change against Peru, same players, Palermo will be leading infront….. except Veron. hahaha
    MORE CIRCUS WE ARE ARGENTINA

  • procrastinator

    man, we live in an age of cowards. from politics to trivial stuff like football, nobody in the spotlight ever has any balls to tell the truth.

    if in something this unimportant, a game, no person of stature can come forward and tell Maradona, to his face, to leave before he totally destroys a generation of gifted young players… what hope is there for the world that in the more important areas of life, powerful people might have principles?

  • Rune

    We should be happy that Brazil beat Chile. That means Chile is not in the WC yet and have something to play for in the next game against Colo. If Chile don’t give us a hand against Colo, they might give us a hand against Equador in the last game…but will Para win against Colo?
    Equador, Colo, Uru and Venezuela can all finish above us in the table EVEN if(a big if) we beat Peru. I hope people realize this. I am not saying that all these teams will win their remaining games, but it’s very likely that we’ll end up in 6th place.

    I hope Equador beat Uru and Chile draws or better in Colo. Then we’re secured 5th place IF we beat Peru. If Uru gets a draw against Equador, all hell breakes lose. We will not get a result in Uru, forget it. We must hope for Equador and Chile in the next round, so that Uru is out before meating us. But will we beat Peru? Can they handle the pressure? I am not sure.

  • procrastinator

    it feels like Brazil’s doing its best to help Argentina qualify for the WorldCup.

    the Brazilian referee last night, gave several decisions Argentina’s way (including not giving Veron a red card for the first – hideous – foul), sadly Maradona’s selection wasn’t upto making the most of it.

    Kaka says he wants Argentina there, and it sounds genuine.

    a lot of the top professionals in the game respect the wealth of talent that Argentina have, they like the players and they wish them well… shame the Argentine FA absolutely hates them.

  • Helge

    Damn it, I hoped to wake up this morning with news about Maradona’s sacking!

  • Krish

    Is there any chance of Diego resigning ? what are the latest rumours coming out of the AFA ? really scared that he is simply going to keep doing what he has been doing and extinguish any possibility of us qualifying..

  • HOG

    What happened to Lisandro? Im a great maradona fan, but he as a coach definately a big NO NO! Either that or thiers some political agenda going on.

    If Argentina dont qualify to the world cup Im not even going to bother to watch it. Now if i was Maradona I wud field a 4-4-2 setup for the nxt 2 matches eg,

    Messi Lisandro

    Gago Lucho Riquelme
    Mascherano

    Rodriguez Heinze Millito Zabaleta

    Ustari

    if the nxt Arg lineups are close to this then maybe we have a chance of qualifying!! May the hand of god help us once more!

  • MaxiLopez

    I know this is just futbol, a stupid marketed & political sport, but since yesterday I’m broken hearted. I’ve never seen Argentina play like this, never.

    The mafioso from AFA, has had this scenario in mind from the beginning. He knew that Maradona could maybe be in such a difficult situation. Grondona would be there, to force him to resign, and seeing the press/fans being grateful towards the AFA leader. But the mafioso didn’t expect Maradona to be uncontrolable and stubborn like that. Maradona isn’t Bielsa, Pekerman or Basile, he will NEVER resign. His income is huge and AFA can’t afford to fire him.

    People, on the 09/09/09, futbol in Argentina is on hold. For the moment, it is dead.

    PRO,
    I agree, we have the best players in the world and they have ALL been ghosts under Maradona. Mascherano never lose a ball at Liverpool, and yesterday, he was not able to do a 2 meters pass. We must not blame them. Palermo, Schiavi, Zanetti, Messi, Gago or Mascherano did all they could.

    JULIAN,
    Please wake up and start a new thread.

  • MaxiLopez

    When I wake up this morning, I was expecting that Maradona would have resigned. This will never happen, how naive I am.

    MARADONA said right after the defeat in Paraguay: “I won’t quit. I have spoken to GRONDONA and my two daughters and I’ll stay until the end of my contract. Nobody can break me”.

  • MaxiLopez

    There is something that hurted me a lot yesterday at the end of the game. When Schiavi & Palermo had their final opportunity to “score”, Maradona had the kind of reaction that was saying like “oh my god, what an action, we could have scored!”. It seemed that we had almost scored a “ChuChu VS Serbia” gol…

  • MaxiLopez

    For all the people who don’t know AFA well, please take the time to read what follows. It’s from our friend Seba from Mundoalbiceleste:

    The current state of things around our national team poses a dilemma and have many fans, like myself, suffering as the real and only innocent victims of a history of bad decisions, mostly driven by selfish personal interests that have a complete and pretty evident disregard of the well-being of Argentine football as a whole and the national team in particular.

    Ever since Julio Humberto GRONDONA took over as the Argentine Football Association (AFA) in 1979, our football has suffered from his unscrupulous operations and his mafia-like policies. A sort of ‘I scratch your back and you scratch mine’ kind of system that he established between him and his accomplishes, the presidents of the Argentine clubs that gave him more power, in order to take their cuts and become powerful men at the same time.

    I vote for you in every presidential election at the AFA from here to eternity and you help my team get promoted or avoid relegation or even have every controversial decision in every important match go my way.

    That is the kind of power Julio GRONDONA has build up during the last three decades. He shook hands with the de facto military presidents that were responsible for the disappearing of 30,000 Argentines. He then shook hands with the democratic Presidents elected after them and they come and go, but GRONDONA seems to be perpetually in that powerful position of his.

    I think the only good decision that GRONDONA took in his entire tenure as the big chief of Argentine football was to appoint José PEKERMAN as Youth Coach, when the man had no pedigree or fame and he was competing for that job with people with a notably higher profile than him.

    One good decision in 30 years gives him a worse ratio than TEVEZ’s goal-scoring record in this World Cup Qualifiers.

    Along the way…GRONDONA (now 77-years old) is to be blamed for the following cancers in our beautiful game:

    - The Barrabrava culture: By the time hooligans were being controlled in most countries around the world, the Argentine barrabravas began their golden era and GRONDONA was never able to come up with a solution. Why? Because many of the clubs’ presidents use the barrabravas as a tool to pressure the regular fans to vote for them. They are pretty much a mob that will sign for the best bidder and will paint flags and banners with the name of the candidate that gives them free plane tickets to follow the team abroad or in the provinces or extra match tickets for them to re-sell and make a small fortune out of it.

    In many notable cases like River Plate, for example, the barrabrava has taken such an uncontrollable power that they even took a cut in Juan Pablo CARRIZO’s transfer to Italy. Not that CARRIZO is guilty of it, it was a very filthy business going on between the club directors (those shameless criminals that are killing one of Argentina’s most prestigious clubs) and the barrabrava (another kind of criminals).

    The fact that some players (like at Independiente) had meetings with the bosses of their barrabrava to arrange how the players will pay for the firm to travel to the World Cup in South Africa, without the AFA intervening to put an end to such aberration. Violence and the violent firms are like a cancer that has spread all over in Argentine football and sometimes it is almost impossible to draw the line as to whether the violence really comes from a small and organised group of ‘fans’ or whether it comes from those wearing suits and ties and carrying big briefcases full of dirty money while they make decisions that keep ruining our game.

    A fact to help me put this into perspective: Since GRONDONA took over as President of the AFA, there have been 141 football-related deaths in Argentina. An average of 4,7 per year.

    - The crazy league in Argentina that nobody understand (and hence don’t care about):
    In 1981 GRONDONA decided that it wasn’t enough with the refereeing decisions going the way of River Plate and Boca Juniors, so he introduced the ‘promedios’ (point average system) that prevented big clubs to get relegated if they had a bad season and finished bottom or near the bottom of the standings. With his new system, if River Plate or Boca Juniors had a bad campaign, they were surely going to be able to get enough points the following season to enrich their ‘promedio’ and get out of jail. As early as in 1983, the system proved efficient for River Plate as they escaped relegation even when they finished in the bottom two, so they got to stay up.

    GRONDONA and his business were smiling. Fair play and justice are still crying.

    Not happy with those changes, in 1989/1990, GRONDONA decided that he was going to play two tournaments in one season. The Apertura and the Clausura. The reason behind it? Shorter tournaments will give many teams a shot at the title and will prove to be more exciting. To some extent, he was right, but it was hardly fair when a team won the Apertura playing most derby matches at home and avoiding travels to the provinces. Qualification to the Continental cup competitions was never clear and proper fans in Argentina have to have a major in maths to understand whether they are in good or bad positions when it comes to qualifying for the Copa Libertadores or Copa Sudamericana.

    Did I mention that Boca Juniors and River Plate get annual invitations to the Copa Sudamericana and that they don’t qualify on virtue of points gathered? Yes. You are right. It’s non-sense.

    - Deal with the TV: Since 1985, GRONDONA signed a contract with a company called Torneos y Competencias (they have the TV channel most of you know: TyC Sports) to give them the exclusive broadcasting rights for Argentine football. Ever since then, the TV company exercised a monopoly that prevented any other channel in the country to show the goals until Sunday at midnight (after they aired the famous show: Fútbol de Primera, which shows highlights of the weekend’s games -similar to Match of the Day in England-).

    Until last month, it worked for GRONDONA. He even renewed that contract with TyC two years ago. All of a sudden, the government -locked in a fierce battle with Grupo Clarín -owner of TyC- approached GRONDONA, offered him twice as much for the same broadcasting rights and that was it. GRONDONA tore up the contract with TyC and he began with his rants of saying how inconvenient the TyC contract was for Argentine football and how disadvantaged the AFA was under those terms.

    - Lack of financial control of the clubs: Football clubs are always bailed out in Argentina. They mismanage. They don’t go by the rules. They steal and they never pay taxes or honour their contracts, but still, there’s always a way out for them.

    Racing Club is a major example. Part of the Big5 in Argentina, the club was the living proof of what I said in the previous paragraph. Pressured by the fact that they couldn’t win the league in 35 years, all sorts of desperate measures were taken and the result was a mounting debt of 40 or 70 million USD until the club had to file for bankruptcy.

    The government then acted to make sure the club was kept alive and a private company was welcomed to rescue the club with a promise that the debt would be pay in 10 years. A decade later, that company itself went bankrupt and the corruption seen in their everyday affairs was even bigger than before.

    GRONDONA first promoted and supported the introduction of private companies in Argentine clubs and when he saw it was clearly not working, he changed his mind, but the damage was done.

    The AFA promise of punishing clubs with transfer embargoes or points deduction for a misuse of money or stadium closure for violence never actually happened and everybody is still at it as long as GRONDONA keeps getting his votes and his pocket money.

    And us, the fans, are in the middle of this mess.

    The appointment of Diego MARADONA was nothing else than a continuity of this decadent government that GRONDONA is running with no apparent and serious opposition.

    How can you form an opposition if the man has everything covered and his henchmen do the dirty job for him?

    There is no room for democracy under this totalitarian old dinosaur that keeps getting his own way time after time.

    On one hand he appoints MARADONA and gives him total control. On the other…he doesn’t let Diego pick his coaching staff because he doesn’t like Oscar RUGGERI.

    GRONDONA clearly picked MARADONA with the conviction that Argentina were going to qualify to South Africa without a problem and only because having Diego as the boss would mean heavy dollars coming his way (with TV money, friendly matches offers, juicy sponsorship deals, etc).

    Now there is a feeling in the air that changes could come if Argentina miss out of the next World Cup and that a new order should be imposed in Argentine football if that happens.

    Many of us, fans, who just want our national team to perform the way we know it can perform, don’t know what to think.

    If I was given a contract to sign in which I’m guaranteed that if Argentina crashes out and miss the World Cup in South Africa next year GRONDONA will be removed from his position (and none of his henchmen will get appointed to replace him), then I’ll be really sorry that the price we’re paying is rather steep, but I’ll happily sign it in the search of a greater good.

    Since there are no guarantees of that happening and my love for my national football team is still very strong, I’ve got no option but to wish Argentina well and celebrate the goals that could keep perpetuating GRONDONA in charge (for much as it hurts me to death).

    A horrible situation to be in, but this story was something I wanted to share with you for a long time now. I hope I have helped you to understand what’s beneath the surface in Argentine football.

  • Rune

    By ken | September 10th, 2009 at 12:26 am

    You little RUNE idiot, where are you now HIDING
    from reality?

    Eh….well, Kenny boy. I am right here. What’s your intention with saying something like that?

  • procrastinator

    that seems to be his assignment.

    bet the next chump brings back Riquelme and dusts off the whole “everything goes through Riquelme” plan, then loses to the first half decent team at the Copa (the WCQ having resulted in Argentina missing WC2010) and everyone sits around scratching their heads and wondering why playing everything through a single slow midfielder never seems to work.

    I’m sure one sign of madness is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting to get different results.

  • Rune

    MaxiLopez:
    I was just about to tell you and the other regulars to go and read Seba’s great article on mundoalbiceleste. Great stuff, but it makes me wanna cry at the same time. This will never end before Grondona is dead. But then there’s his son……

    The game yesterday was just as bad as the one away to Chile when Basile resigned. I will always love and support our NT, no matter what…but these games have been a shame for Argentina. Not the results, but the way we have played.

  • MaxiLopez

    I just can’t believe what Maradona said to the press. I just can’t.
    “We played well in the second half”
    “I’m not afraid about critics. I am afraid of nobody. I am doing my job, I have my team, and I am going to go ahead”
    “Since I am 15 years old, I am afraid of nobody and I’m going to continue to fight against them (the journalists)”
    He only talks about himelf.
    Then: “Argentina has the players to get out of this situation”. This proves that he’s throwing them in the battle without preparing games tactically.

  • MaxiLopez

    It also shows that he’s going to try new players.

  • Rune

    I do not wanna to see us getting back to the “everything goes through Riquelme at any cost” plan, if he is back when a ne coach enters before the next WC qual. Under Pekerman it really worked with Riquelme, cause there was a system, a plan, and players moving without the ball when Roman had the ball. Crespo, Saviola(even if I don’t like him), Maxi, Sorin were all famous for their “off the ball runs”. Under Basile the Riquelme plan/style didnt’t work at all. I called it “walking football” back then. A terrible style/tactic. When did we play and win a big game under Basile? When did we really impress? When were Roman and Messi really playing well together? Don’t start talking about the Copa 07 now, for Gods sake. We beat mediocre teams and nothing more. Riquelme ONLY works with a team that is build around HIM where players are actually moving without the ball. This whole situation we’re in really has nothing to do with Riquelme, with Roman I bet the results would have been much the same in these games. It’s got everything to do with having a proper NT coach, with tactics, gameplan and selecting the best players.

  • Rune

    Maybe now he’ll call Aimar, Cambiasso, Samuel, Gonzalo, Zarate and Higuain……with 2 games left he gives them the job to get us out of the mess he has brought us into…..well, I will not blame them if they fail under these circumstances.

  • skywalker

    Maxi… the more you read about Maradona and the current state of affairs in the NT, the worse it gets. I’m surprised no one is talking about the way in which Aguero left the pitch. looked happy as hell to be off and then when he passed Diego gave him a disgusted look. I guess that’s what any soccer player would do if they were sub’d for El Loco.

    ran some errands in and around Abu Dhabi today, you won’t believe the number Argentina jerseys I saw. Unreal, lost count at about 11 or 12. And not one of them looked like an actual Argentine. We have so many fans that aren’t even Argentines and even they are sharing in the pain. Just a total travesty what the AFA and Maradona are doing.

  • procrastinator

    Rune, if that’s a reply to my post, then I think you’ve misunderstood my position.

    I too, don’t want a “Riquelme plan” team, I’m just saying that the suggestion is in the air now, lots of people are asking/begging for a return of Riquelme, as if that would make the slightest bit of a difference.

    on a slightly tangential note, even in WC2006, Argentina only beat one really tough competitor (Mexico) and that was by a moment of genius from an otherwise ordinary player. not through Riquelme, not through the system and the idea of pulling the opposition out of their lines and finding a pass for the attackers.

  • rameez hanif

    I was really unhappy at the time when Maradona was appointed the coach, as he has no expereince of working as a coach and i always beleive that whatever the sport is the best players can be not always be the best managers.

    I liked the way NT played under Pekerman, but the best that i have seen Argentina played was under Bilsea. He played such a high tempo game with giving oppisition minimum amount of time and then bombarding the opposition attack after attack. Thats when a Brilian legend that Argentina start games like if they are already 1-0 down.

    I hope that Aregntina can play football with that attacking football fluidity. If Maradona is not sacked then i am ready to bet on that Argentina will not qualify for the World Cup, no matter whatever players he call for the next qualifiers.

    Now if AFA makes a sensible decision and terminates his contract what are the options available to them ??
    1- Pekerman (any one knows about his current job assignment, will he be available)
    2- Bilsea (can AFA persuade hime to return? will Chile allow it to happen ?)
    3- Who else?

    One thing is for sure if they want to change managers they need to appoint an experience head not some one like simone or others who may be good coaches but don’t have experience of managing in such crunch circumstances.

  • MaxiLopez

    I agree RUNE regarding Riquelme. I would add anyway that Riquelme & Messi are not compatible in terms of tempo or even mentally (seems that they hate eachother). Anyway, Riquelme, as much as I love his way of playing belongs to the PAST. There is no debate and I don’t want to be part of it. All I want is Maradona OUT for the short term period. I don’t want Maradona to involve and humiliate Lucho, Aimar, Saviola, Palacio, Higuain, Cavenaghi, Lopez, Milito, Banega, Samuel, Gonzalo neither. They don’t deserve humiliation. They have been ingored and treaten like nothing.

    SKYWALKER,
    And believe me, AFA are happy to sell Argentina shirts, whether the fans are sad or not.

  • MaxiLopez

    Argentina doesn’t needs Riquelme. Argentina needs a coach and a decent federation to name one. Argentina needs to many things right now.

  • Felipe

    I hate it. I actually have tears in my eyes. MaxiLopez, reading that long post was horrible and the worst thing is nothing will ever be done. What has happened to this wonderful team and those fantastic little players? How can things ever have got so bad? Silly me, I thought the team would try to work on its weaknesses, instead they are just getting worse.
    I was going to writ emy thoughts on the game, but it’s already been said by everyone here (for months and months). I was going to mock Maradona’s surprise that Paraguay should attack down their left wing when he plays a 35 and 34 year old down his right side, both out of position (let’s face it, Zanetti has not been a real right back for years). Plays them when they are tired after the coach prepares everything for the brazil game and treats Paraguay as an afterthought despite all that REALLY mattered was 3 points from those 2 games. I was going to wonder why he’d persist with an Aguero-Messi partnership that has never worked and cannot score (this was even apparent at last years Olympics). It’s nearly the equivalent of Brazil playing Kaka and Ronaldinho as their two strikers.
    And then bringing on Palermo and Schaivi to kick th eball long to in the final minutes (from Chapter 1 of ‘The Basic Guide to Coaching’ by Jose mourinho). But what’s the point? If Maradona doesn’t go now then he won’t until Argentina don’t qualify. With Maradona in charge Argentina will not beat Uruguay and Peru is a debate. The best we can hope for is a Uruguay loss to Ecuador and a scrappy win over Peru and then see where we go in the play-off.
    All you guys with your predicted line-iups: they’re nice thoughts but I wouldn’t hold my breath. It will 4-4-2 against Peru, Jonas on the left, Maxi on the right, Gago and Masche in the middle. The only debate being will it be Aguero or Tevez partnering Messi.
    This is a tragedy,

  • Felipe

    Riquelme is one of my all time favourites. But he abandoned the team for 2010 and is not in good enough form to go crawling back to.

  • MaxiLopez

    RAMEEZ,
    1. Maradona will be our coach until Copa 2011.
    2. Pekerman would never agree to take the team in such a situation. He is clever, works on the long term. Most of all, he doesn’t want to work with Grondona anymore otherwise he would have kept coaching th eteam after 2006.
    If miracle, Bilardo would be appointed. If not, then Batista would be prefered.

  • MaxiLopez

    Totally agree FELIPE. I’ve never seen everyone so united like this. I’m glad you read the past posts (and the article from SEBA) and scrolled kms of text. The blog is on fire with its almost 900 posts. I’ve never seen this since 2005.

  • MaxiLopez

    How can you create chemistry between players if you call & test 62 of them? Diego has maybe won a WC but he doesn’t seem to know that futbol is played by only 11 players per team. You said it FELIPE, it’s a tragedy.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/sep/09/diego-maradona-argentina-world-cup

  • procrastinator

    Argentina showed tremendous resources to reorganise after the financial crisis of the late ’90s, communities and factories were run on an interim basis, from what I recall reading.

    why can’t Argentines put together a second, non-AFA league or maybe even buy up some of the smaller clubs, change their structure and constitution and just take the football out from under Grondona?

    it’s apparent that the poison in the AFA was placed there a long time ago, that complacency and arrogance allowed it to grow and that nothing will quickly resolve it. so, perhaps, a break-away league might actually be best.

    a fresh start, like when Nissan used to open factories on “green belts”, with new unions, new mechanisms and new methodologies, instead of buying disused factories and employing existing processes. like a brush fire to allow for new (and clean) growth.

  • MaxiLopez

    A blogger on a forum writes: “He will continue because he has a little brain and a huge ego, he is looking for a little glory to win before he resigns, as Bielsa did when he failed in the world cup and copa miserably then continued until he won the 04 olympics only to suddenly resign. He will continue until he wins something, no matter how much he loses and no matter how trivial is what he wins”.

  • Rune

    PRO:
    It was kinda a response, but I ment to say that I agree with you :-)

  • HOG

    Paolo Di Canio comments on Juventus new signing Diego.
    “He is the only real trequartista left in modern football, an example to follow for many. The way he moves between the lines is perfect and it is very difficult to knock him down,” claimed the former Celtic and West Ham United ace.

    “Diego’s technique is unique. Players such as Wesley Sneijder, Goran Pandev and Dejan Stankovic are good but they are adapted to that position.

    “Kaka needs space and cannot move across the lines like Diego does. Even when it comes to controlling the ball and passing it around he is not as smooth as the Bianconero.

    “It’s weird that Dunga hasn’t called him up for Brazil yet. In the past I have seen Vagner Love replacing Adriano, but Diego is a potential Ballon d’Or winner.

    (“However, Leo Messi is better than him. The Argentine moves like a PlayStation player.”)

  • petro

    Dear Mr.Maradona,

    There is always next time for becoming coach…when things are more settled abd Julio would have gone by that time…atlest now plz resign and learn…u will lose your godly status for doing any more damage…

  • petro

    I am happy that Julio has put himself in this position by appointng Maradona…

  • HOG

    Maxi that was a very good insight on the AFA, never realized how bad it was. Its a very sad. Could it be that Maradona has ulterior motives to bring down Grondona and his men for the price of WC2010? If it was true I totally agree that its for the future of the AFA.
    I disagree with some of you saying that with or without riquelme its the same results or worse. You dont have to build a team around him, he is just a gifted player with the ability to do precise through balls, free kick specialist and great vision. Messi is a damn gifted player , so why dont we just build a team around and over him! Just pass the ball to Messi and off and away he scores a goal! yeeehaw! Simple as ABC!
    Ok JRR might not even want to play for the NT, but I think he could have created more chances for Arg to score, and I dont think he would have gottten 2 yellow cards. Sometimes you need a creative midfielder because thats what they do best.
    Anyway thats just an opinion, just hope for the best this coming October.

    :|

  • Mightie

    Why “PALERMO”? … so here we have the answer;
    “Martín Palermo’s inclusion in the Argentina team last night as a response to public demand for a taller player”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/sep/10/diego-maradona-argentina-world-cup

    there are many questions that needs to be answered.

    MARADONA should be fired

  • Mightie
  • procrastinator

    interesting read, but I don’t agree with her conclusion that it could/would be worse if Maradona were to be fired. it’s self-evident that Maradona cannot change – after losing 6-1 to Bolivia, he still did not do away with the sluggish defence and midfield – thus that Argentina will not get any better.

    a new coach would benefit from an immediate improvement in morale, as happened with Maradona and Basile before him… which could mean winning the next two games!

    thereafter, of course, things would remain as awful as they are. the AFA would be as terrible and corrupt as it is, the new manager would be hampered/stymied by the same setup … but at least he would be able to produce a working 11 and not pick random players because he’s too arrogant to admit that he was wrong to overlook European-based players.

    I mean, even Peckerman managed to play decent football, produce a decent first 11, inspite of the machinations and corruptions of the AFA. so yes, a decent coach would improve the situation dramatically, in the immediate future, and perhaps begin to make some changes for the longterm too.

  • Watch_10

    I dont know how true is this but it seems US federation is thinking seriously while AFA’s priorities are somewhere else
    http://usa.worldcupblog.org/the-future/jose-pekerman-interviewed-by-us-soccer.html

  • toddutah

    I could barely sleep last night. I was not able to watch the game so when I arrived home last night I went to the blog and reset it to the start of the game so that I would live the game through the blog. It became very obvious early on the that the team was not playing well. I suffered along with each of you as the game progressed. The worst moments for me was when I read of the subs who were comong off the bench. Here we were in one of the most important games we played in years in desperate need of one point and these are the subs? My heart sank as I thought of players like Zarate, Higuain, Aimar. What if these players had been the subs? Would we have a better chance? For me the fact that Maradona is a bad coach will not change but if someone anyone could just get him to open his eyes on player selection than I think that we can beat Peru at home and salvage a point at Uruguay.

    I always thought that Maradona would not be a good tactician but I had hoped that he would call the best players and motivate them. I beleive that by not calling the best players he is actually creating tension and anger with some of the better players on the team who notice this. Can you imagine what Messi and Mascherano would be thinking when they see Palermo and Schaivi entering the game to save the team?

    What maradona needs is a general manager that picks the team for him and the starting line up. Then maradona can be the front man that cheers and takes the victory lap with the team. That should be all that he does at this point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • petro

    I am so frustrated..i want someone to resign either Julio or Diego…something shd happen…why are we looking into Boca Juniors players only…I saw in some forum he might call some guy Ibarra…

  • MaxiLopez

    Pekerman: “everything about the job that isn’t football is simply too much”.

  • AURELIUS

    No pleasant surprise this afternoon then.

    It’s up to the Argentina fans to protest on the streets ,riots if necessary and for the press to really attack this complete ****.

    Argentina will not make it with him in charge and I cannot tolerate the idea of a 2010 WC without my team in it.

    As I said all Abliceleste fans across the globe should e-mail the AFA and let them know how they feel about this bastardo.

    A new coach must be appointed as he will as procrastinator pointed out raise confidence and morale and select the best team available .Otherwise it will be the same old nonsense again .Jonas will be back and there will be no nine or no decent defenders either.

    Argentine football despite the golden apples raised by Tocalli and Pekerman and all the youth coaches are destined to wither on the vine . If this bastard means what he says that means we can also forget any chance of taking the Copa as well.

    Any press articles from Clarin on the defeat would be welcome. I hope they are savage, truly savage.

    The thing has destroyed an object of beauty debasing it in his own addled mind’s image.

  • AURELIUS

    Unbelievable but only to be expected.
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=674792&sec=worldcup2010&cc=5739

    Do one thing idiot and resign.

    More pearls of wisdom:
    “I will reunite with the rest of the coaching staff and we will find out where we went wrong.”

    It went wrong when you were made coach moron. 0-2,1-3,1-6,0-1 when it shoukd have been 0-3 and a fluke of a win over Colombia. Magnificent.

    Maradona and his disciples.
    http://narocroc.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/lemmings.jpg

  • day1star

    u know, i was looking at our players faces yesterday, if anyone has the match, take a good look at the faces of the players, they speak louder than words. Mascherano looked like he was haunted, Messi looked like he was depressed, aguero when he went off looked pissed off, and didn’t even look at diego, but gave him a belated gesture and got off quick, says it all really. I think Diego’s rating has gone down in the eyes of the players, he’s losing his status.
    These guys all want to play in the world cup.
    Diego needs to wake up out of his fantasy world, and realise that if he isn’t going to resign then he needs to start listening to people and get rid of his ego.

  • HOG

    This Is what I have to say after a joint! Well said procrastinator.
    I guess Maradona really wants to be a legend a a different kind of way. A real anti-hero. A bad guy we all love.
    Then again maybe he’s doing this on purpose,creating anxiety,frustration, excitement…… and all out of nowhere Argentina qualify at the very end..might even get tru to the finals…and winning and now thats what I call “The God of Football”!

  • AURELIUS

    daystar the players should go to the press and state they have no confidence in him and we’ll see where it takes us.

    I’m not normally in favour of player power but when it is quite obvious to all and sundry that we have a buffoon of the dumbest proportions in charge then something radical has to be done.

  • day1star

    i can’t see that happening Aurelius, unless we fail to qualify for the World Cup, because then i think u will definitely see a reaction against Diego.

  • Argentuban

    There is no way Maradona is not doing this on purpose. He wants the NT to fail. He can’t be that much of a blind idiot.

  • Felipe

    What’s just amazing is that they are prepared to run this thing so close: seriously, what are they going to do if Argentina don’t qualify? The money they make from friednlies will go down (who wants to see a team that couldn’t even qualify for the World Cup?) The guy simply can’t do the job. Forget what he was (which will never change and, as a player he was beautiful to to behold) and think where they’re going. It’s unbelievable that we are debating whether or not the team will even beat Peru or whoever finishes 4th or 5th in Concacaf.

  • Argentuban

    I’m sorry. Argentina will never change. All about cult of personality.

  • ajNYHC

    Its been a while since I posted. I’ll keep it short. What needs to be done now seems simple on paper, but is hugely complicated. The players’ are mentally destroyed. The winning mentality is gone. There are no tactics. There is not even a plan A, forget plan B. Everything has gone wrong.

    I almost laughed last night, laughter that was fake and loud to almost hide the pain inside. Even though I told myself, its okay, I didn’t care as much, one thing for sure it really hurt. My beloved team – in tatters. Un-fucking-believable.

    I still think Argentina will qualify, get it right and go far in the world cup. But that’s me being a romantic. The next 2 games need to be handled with immense care. Deploy a defensive minded team, and score on counter attacks. Before that the team morale needs to be raised, because even lining up 11 defenders in front of goal won’t help if these players’ wounds don’t heal.

    This is sickening. I have turned against my hero and I cannot help it.

  • Argentuban

    I remember in his Napoli days Maradona was tied to the underground mob.

    I’m wondering if this is tied to betting and such. I wouldn’t put it past the creep.

  • john

    There is no doubt that Diego has been involved with all kinds of interesting people not just in Napoli but around the world. :)

    Well one thing is for sure, Maradona isn’t a nancy boy. Despite the tremendous pressure he is under he’ll fight to the end.

    Maybe he honestly believes if he doesn’t quit the players won’t either.

    regards

  • Argentuban

    He has no gameplan.

  • Argentuban

    He just wants the money and is a stubborn ass.

  • toddutah

    He will not quit that is for sure but maybe someone can get him to accept help. Maradona is the greatest player of all time but he could also go down as the worst NT coach of all time and that is why he will not quit. If he quits now and we dont qualify then he will still be blamed and looked at as a quiter. There is no way that he quits. Impossible forget about it. What I am prayin gis that he realizes that he is not that good and lets one of his assistants makes the imporatnt decisions.

    I could barely sleep last night. I was not able to watch the game so when I arrived home last night I went to the blog and reset it to the start of the game so that I would live the game through the blog. It became very obvious early on the that the team was not playing well. I suffered along with each of you as the game progressed. The worst moments for me was when I read of the subs who were comong off the bench. Here we were in one of the most important games we played in years in desperate need of one point and these are the subs? My heart sank as I thought of players like Zarate, Higuain, Aimar. What if these players had been the subs? Would we have a better chance? For me the fact that Maradona is a bad coach will not change but if someone anyone could just get him to open his eyes on player selection than I think that we can beat Peru at home and salvage a point at Uruguay.

    I always thought that Maradona would not be a good tactician but I had hoped that he would call the best players and motivate them. I beleive that by not calling the best players he is actually creating tension and anger with some of the better players on the team who notice this. Can you imagine what Messi and Mascherano would be thinking when they see Palermo and Schaivi entering the game to save the team?

    What maradona needs is a general manager that picks the team for him and the starting line up. Then maradona can be the front man that cheers and takes the victory lap with the team. That should be all that he does at this point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • petro

    If AFA asks the team..will the team support Maradona? If they will then they should perform…if they don’t then they should change the coach…it always comes to team choice then individual…if he doesn’t win..what is he going to do by taking responsibility of downfall…is Argentina going to Hang him? Maradona has said he will fight till he has last dot of blood.that means will he die…if he fails…Stupid.!!!

  • Nycko

    #chupamaradona _|_

  • Viana

    #chupamaradona

  • Felipe

    #chupamaradona

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